Barbet vs English Setter
A side-by-side comparison to help you find the right breed for your lifestyle.
Barbet
The Barbet is a versatile and intelligent French water dog known for its curly, dense coat and friendly demeanor. Originally bred for retrieving game from water, this breed is both an affectionate family companion and an enthusiastic working dog.
Medium
High
10-12 yrs
N/A
English Setter
Also known as: Laverack Setter, Llewellin Setter
The English Setter is a graceful and elegant gun dog known for its distinctive feathered coat and gentle demeanor. Often called the 'gentleman of the dog world,' they combine athletic prowess with a sweet, affectionate temperament that makes them exceptional family companions for active households.
Large
High
11-13 yrs
61-69 cm
Quick Comparison
| Trait | Barbet | English Setter |
|---|---|---|
| Energy | ||
| Trainability | ||
| Grooming Needs | ||
| Family Friendly | ||
| Independence |
Key Characteristics
| Good with Kids | ||
| Good with Dogs | ||
| Good with Cats | ||
| Hypoallergenic | ||
| Apartment Friendly | ||
| First-Time Owner OK |
| Detail | Barbet | English Setter |
|---|---|---|
| Size | Medium | Large |
| Energy Level | High | High |
| Grooming | High | High |
| Trainability | Easy | Moderate |
| Barking Level | Medium | Medium |
| Shedding Level | Low | High |
| Chew strength | Moderate | Moderate |
| Housing | Apartment | Yard |
Owner Fit & Decision Guide
Owner Match
| Trait | Barbet | English Setter |
|---|---|---|
| Experience Level | Beginner | Intermediate |
| First-Time Owner | ||
| Ideal Owner | Active individual or family who can provide adequate exercise and training for a Barbet. | Hikers, runners, hunters, or active families with a large fenced yard. Someone who works from home or can provide companionship. Understanding they are getting a hunting dog, not a couch ornament. |
Barbet Dealbreakers
- Cannot meet 60-90 min daily exercise
- Cannot commit to grooming needs
English Setter Dealbreakers
- No fenced yard - dealing with a Setter without secure fencing is a part-time job
- Work long hours away from home - separation anxiety is significant
- Cannot commit to 60-90 min daily exercise
- Fastidious housekeepers - mud, hair, and water drips are part of the package
Surrender Risk
| Factor | Barbet | English Setter |
|---|---|---|
| Risk Level | Medium | Medium |
| Primary Reasons | Underestimated exercise needs, Behavioral challenges, Cost of care | Escaping - 'He won't stay in the yard', Too much energy for owner's lifestyle, Separation anxiety and barking when left alone |
Temperament & Personality
Behavior Comparison
| Trait | Barbet | English Setter |
|---|---|---|
| Prey Drive | ||
| Watchdog Ability | ||
| Stranger Friendly | ||
| Drool Level | ||
| Wanderlust |
Vocalization
| Trait | Barbet | English Setter |
|---|---|---|
| Barking Level | Medium | Medium |
| Howling Tendency | ||
| Whining Tendency | Low | Medium |
| Separation Vocalization |
Safety & Reliability
| Trait | Barbet | English Setter |
|---|---|---|
| Escape Artist | ||
| Dog Park Suitable | ||
| Off-Leash Reliable | ||
| Small Animal Safe | ||
| Leash Reactivity | ||
| Resource Guarding Risk | Low | Low |
Barbet Social Traits
Low
Generally friendly
English Setter Social Traits
Low
Low - generally excellent with other dogs and enjoy pack life. Same-sex aggression is rare.
Training
Barbet
- ** Positive reinforcement (treats, praise, play) is the only effective method. Harsh corrections will damage the bond and cause the dog to shut down [cite: 4, 16].
English Setter
- They are 'soft' dogs - harsh corrections or yelling will cause them to shut down or become fearful
- Recall training must be proofed with high distractions - a long line is recommended until reliability is 100%
- Use high-value treats to compete with bird distractions
Barbet Considerations
The Barbet is a "Velcro dog" in the truest sense. They were bred to work closely with hunters and live as constant companions. They do not tolerate isolation well. Owners who work long hours away from home or expect the dog to stay in a crate for 8 hours a day will likely face significant behavioral issues, including destructive chewing, howling, and self-mutilation. This is not a breed for the "weekend warrior" who ignores the dog Monday through Friday.
While endearing to some, the Barbet's need to be physically touching or near their owner can be overwhelming. They will follow you to the bathroom, sit on your feet while you cook, and demand inclusion in every family activity. This lack of independence can be stifled for owners who value personal space.
Unlike the happy-go-lucky Labrador, the Barbet can be emotionally sensitive. Harsh training methods or a chaotic, shouting household can cause them to shut down. They require positive reinforcement and a calm, confident leader.
English Setter Considerations
English Setters are intensely social 'velcro' dogs that bond deeply with their humans. Left alone for 8+ hours without conditioning or companionship, they frequently develop severe anxiety manifesting as destructive chewing, house soiling, and persistent howling.
Their predatory drive is all-consuming. On walks, they may become deaf to commands if they catch a scent or spot a bird. Off-leash reliability in unfenced areas is nearly impossible for the average owner.
Bored or under-exercised Setters are notorious for testing perimeter security. Their athleticism allows them to jump moderate fences, and digging instincts can compromise fence lines if they see prey on the other side.
Multi-Species Compatibility
| Species | Barbet | English Setter |
|---|---|---|
| With Cats | Generally safe with proper introduction | Risky - while some can live with cats if raised together, the instinct to chase is hardwired. Generally not safe. |
| Small Mammals | Supervision required | Caution required - rabbits and hamsters trigger the chase instinct. Supervision mandatory. |
| Birds / Reptiles | Caution advised | Unsafe - birds are their ancestral prey. Will fixate on bird cages causing stress to both animals. |
Advanced Behavior
| Trait | Barbet | English Setter |
|---|---|---|
| Predatory Sequence Risk | Medium | Arrested |
| Biddability | High | High |
| Noise Sensitivity | Low | Low |
| Territorial Barking | ||
| Same-Sex Aggression Onset | 18 months | N/A |
English Setter: Predatory sequence is Orient -> Eye -> Stalk -> Chase -> Point. The 'Grab-Bite' and 'Kill-Bite' are usually inhibited, meaning they are less dangerous to prey than terriers, but the chase drive is just as strong. They want to please but are easily distracted by birds.
First Year & Life Stages
First Year Challenges
| Challenge | Barbet | English Setter |
|---|---|---|
| Puppy Difficulty | ||
| Destructive Phase | 6-18 | 7-12 |
| House Training | Moderate | Medium |
| Crate Training | Medium | High |
| Adolescent Regression |
Barbet: Barbet puppies require consistent training and patience.
English Setter: Setter puppies combine high energy with a distractible hunting brain. House training can be slower than average (sensitive to surface textures). Very mouthy and prone to chewing furniture if bored. Around 8-10 months, they often 'forget' recall - this is when they're most likely to run off after a bird.
Life Stages Timeline
| Stage | Barbet | English Setter |
|---|---|---|
| Puppy Phase | 12 months | 12 months |
| Adolescence | 6-18 | 12-24 |
| Adult Years | 2-8 | 2-8 |
| Senior Onset | ~8 years | ~9 years |
| Peak Energy Age | 1-3 years | 1-3 years |
Size & Physical Characteristics
Physical Stats
| Measurement | Barbet | English Setter |
|---|---|---|
| Height | N/A | 61-69 cm |
| Weight | Not enough data yet | Not enough data yet |
| Size Category | Medium | Large |
| Lifespan | 10–12 years | 11–13 years |
| Litter Size | 4-8 | 6-8 |
Barbet Coat
English Setter Coat
Lineage & Origin
| Detail | Barbet | English Setter |
|---|---|---|
| Original Purpose | The Barbet is an archetypal water dog of France, referenced as far back as the 16th century | Locating and setting (pointing) game birds on English moors for net and gun hunters |
| Origin | French word *barbe* (beard) | England, 15th-17th century |
Breeding Details
| Detail | Barbet | English Setter |
|---|---|---|
| C-Section Rate | Varies | Low |
| Whelping Difficulty | Medium | Easy |
| Puppy Mortality Rate | Low | Low |
Physical Risks
| Risk | Barbet | English Setter |
|---|---|---|
| Bloat / GDV Risk | Low | High |
| Slippery Floor Risk | Low | Medium |
| Min Fence Height | 1.5m | 1.5m |
| Dig / Escape Risk | Low | Medium |
Health & Common Conditions
Barbet Health Issues
English Setter Health Issues
Barbet Suggested Tests
- OFA hips/elbows
- Ophthalmologist exam (CAER)
- PRA-prcd DNA status
English Setter Suggested Tests
- BAER (Brainstem Auditory Evoked Response) test for deafness
- Hip Evaluation (OFA or PennHIP)
- Thyroid Evaluation
- Elbow Evaluation
Health Risk Overview
| Risk Factor | Barbet | English Setter |
|---|---|---|
| Cancer Risk | Medium | Medium |
| Cardiac Risk | Low | Low |
| Neurological Risk | Low | Low |
| CCL/ACL Tear Risk | Low | Medium |
| Vet Burden Tier | Medium | Medium |
Sensitivities & Allergies
| Sensitivity | Barbet | English Setter |
|---|---|---|
| Skin Allergies | ||
| Environmental Allergies | ||
| Stomach Sensitivity | Low | Low |
| Food Allergies | Grain sensitivities possible |
Health Maintenance
| Care Item | Barbet | English Setter |
|---|---|---|
| Nail Growth Rate | Normal | Normal |
| Eye Care Needs | Low | Low |
| Anal Gland Issues | Occasional | Rare |
Senior Care & Aging
Barbet Senior Care
Common Senior Issues
- Arthritis
- Vision decline
- Cognitive changes
Senior care varies by individual health.
English Setter Senior Care
Common Senior Issues
- Arthritis/joint stiffness
- Cancer (hemangiosarcoma, lymphoma)
- Hearing loss
- Mobility issues
Quality of life often remains good until late. Cancer and mobility issues are the common end-of-life factors. Some reach 14-15 years.
Grooming & Care
Barbet
high maintenanceEnglish Setter
high maintenanceLifestyle Compatibility
Barbet Daily Life
English Setter Daily Life
Housing & Legal Restrictions
| Restriction | Barbet | English Setter |
|---|---|---|
| BSL Restricted | ||
| Common Rental Ban | ||
| Insurance Blacklist | ||
| Weight Category | Under 50lbs | Over 50lbs |
Climate Tolerance
| Climate | Barbet | English Setter |
|---|---|---|
| Heat Tolerance | ||
| Cold Tolerance | ||
| Water Affinity | Medium | High |
Travel Compatibility
| Activity | Barbet | English Setter |
|---|---|---|
| Car Travel | Good | Good |
| Camping | ||
| Beach Friendly | ||
| Hiking Rating | ||
| Cabin Flight Eligible | ||
| Hotel Friendly Size |
Niche Suitability
| Role | Barbet | English Setter |
|---|---|---|
| Service Dog | High | Low |
| Therapy Dog | Low | Medium |
| Deep Pressure Therapy | ||
| Canicross / Bikejoring | ||
| Apartment Adaptable | ||
| Tactile / Sensory Friendly | ||
| Livestock Guardian | ||
| Medical Alert | Low | Low |
Costs & Expenses
Upfront Costs
| Cost | Barbet | English Setter |
|---|---|---|
| Purchase Price | N/A | $1,000-1,500 |
| Initial Cost Range | $1,000–$2,500 | $1,300–$2,000 |
| Cost Tier |
Ongoing Costs
| Cost | Barbet | English Setter |
|---|---|---|
| Monthly Range | $110–$170 | $180–$275 |
| Yearly Range | $1,320–$2,040 | $2,160–$3,300 |
| Food / Month | $60-90 | $75-125 |
| Insurance / Month | $50-80 | $40-70 |
| Grooming / Session | $100-150 | $65-100 |
| Vet Routine / Year | $500-800 | $600-960 |
| Monthly Cost Tier |
Barbet Lifetime Cost
N/A
English Setter Lifetime Cost
$25,000-45,000
Quirks & Fun Facts
Daily Quirks
| Quirk | Barbet | English Setter |
|---|---|---|
| Snoring | ||
| Flatulence | Occasional | Rare |
| Slobber Level | Low | Moderate |
| Smell When Wet | Moderate | Strong |
| Zoomies Frequency | Occasional | Daily |
| Counter Surfing | ||
| Digging Tendency | Low | Medium |
English Setter Quirks
Setter Sprawl
Famous for sleeping in bizarre, contorted positions on furniture
Water Dripper
Loose 'flews' (lips) that drip water after drinking and leave slime on your pants after a nudge
Velcro Attachment
Will follow you to the bathroom - they need to be integrated into family life, not left as backyard dogs
The Off Switch
Indoors, a well-exercised Setter is a 'rug dog' - calm, quiet, and happy to sleep. Not hyperactive pacers like some herding breeds.
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