Curly Coated Retriever vs English Setter
A side-by-side comparison to help you find the right breed for your lifestyle.
Curly Coated Retriever
The Curly Coated Retriever is a versatile and intelligent dog breed known for its distinctive tight, water-resistant curls and its prowess in retrieving both on land and in water. Originally bred in England for hunting and retrieving game, this breed is also celebrated for its friendly and confident demeanor, making it a great companion for active families.
Large
High
10-12 yrs
N/A
English Setter
Also known as: Laverack Setter, Llewellin Setter
The English Setter is a graceful and elegant gun dog known for its distinctive feathered coat and gentle demeanor. Often called the 'gentleman of the dog world,' they combine athletic prowess with a sweet, affectionate temperament that makes them exceptional family companions for active households.
Large
High
11-13 yrs
61-69 cm
Quick Comparison
| Trait | Curly Coated Retriever | English Setter |
|---|---|---|
| Energy | ||
| Trainability | ||
| Grooming Needs | ||
| Family Friendly | ||
| Independence |
Key Characteristics
| Good with Kids | ||
| Good with Dogs | ||
| Good with Cats | ||
| Hypoallergenic | ||
| Apartment Friendly | ||
| First-Time Owner OK |
| Detail | Curly Coated Retriever | English Setter |
|---|---|---|
| Size | Large | Large |
| Energy Level | High | High |
| Grooming | Low | High |
| Trainability | challenging | Moderate |
| Barking Level | High | Medium |
| Shedding Level | Medium | High |
| Chew strength | Moderate | Moderate |
| Housing | Yard | Yard |
Owner Fit & Decision Guide
Owner Match
| Trait | Curly Coated Retriever | English Setter |
|---|---|---|
| Experience Level | Experienced | Intermediate |
| First-Time Owner | ||
| Ideal Owner | Active individual or family who can provide adequate exercise and training for a Curly Coated Retriever. | Hikers, runners, hunters, or active families with a large fenced yard. Someone who works from home or can provide companionship. Understanding they are getting a hunting dog, not a couch ornament. |
Curly Coated Retriever Dealbreakers
- Cannot meet 90-120 min daily exercise
- Cannot commit to grooming needs
English Setter Dealbreakers
- No fenced yard - dealing with a Setter without secure fencing is a part-time job
- Work long hours away from home - separation anxiety is significant
- Cannot commit to 60-90 min daily exercise
- Fastidious housekeepers - mud, hair, and water drips are part of the package
Surrender Risk
| Factor | Curly Coated Retriever | English Setter |
|---|---|---|
| Risk Level | Medium | Medium |
| Primary Reasons | Underestimated exercise needs, Behavioral challenges, Cost of care | Escaping - 'He won't stay in the yard', Too much energy for owner's lifestyle, Separation anxiety and barking when left alone |
Temperament & Personality
Behavior Comparison
| Trait | Curly Coated Retriever | English Setter |
|---|---|---|
| Prey Drive | ||
| Watchdog Ability | ||
| Stranger Friendly | ||
| Drool Level | ||
| Wanderlust |
Vocalization
| Trait | Curly Coated Retriever | English Setter |
|---|---|---|
| Barking Level | High | Medium |
| Howling Tendency | ||
| Whining Tendency | Low | Medium |
| Separation Vocalization |
Safety & Reliability
| Trait | Curly Coated Retriever | English Setter |
|---|---|---|
| Escape Artist | ||
| Dog Park Suitable | ||
| Off-Leash Reliable | ||
| Small Animal Safe | ||
| Leash Reactivity | ||
| Resource Guarding Risk | Low | Low |
Curly Coated Retriever Social Traits
Moderate
Generally friendly
English Setter Social Traits
Low
Low - generally excellent with other dogs and enjoy pack life. Same-sex aggression is rare.
Training
Curly Coated Retriever
- Keep training sessions short and varied
English Setter
- They are 'soft' dogs - harsh corrections or yelling will cause them to shut down or become fearful
- Recall training must be proofed with high distractions - a long line is recommended until reliability is 100%
- Use high-value treats to compete with bird distractions
Curly Coated Retriever Considerations
If you want a dog that loves every stranger at the brewery, do not get a Curly. They are naturally wary of strangers and will patrol their territory. While not aggressive without cause, they are serious watchdogs who reserve their affection for their inner circle.
This breed does not obey commands simply because you asked. They assess the value of the request. They are known to open doors, gates, and cabinets. Their intelligence is manipulative; they will find the loophole in your rules.
A Curly may remain a "puppy" mentally for 3+ years. Owners expecting a settled adult dog by age 2 will be frustrated by the prolonged adolescence and testing of boundaries.
English Setter Considerations
English Setters are intensely social 'velcro' dogs that bond deeply with their humans. Left alone for 8+ hours without conditioning or companionship, they frequently develop severe anxiety manifesting as destructive chewing, house soiling, and persistent howling.
Their predatory drive is all-consuming. On walks, they may become deaf to commands if they catch a scent or spot a bird. Off-leash reliability in unfenced areas is nearly impossible for the average owner.
Bored or under-exercised Setters are notorious for testing perimeter security. Their athleticism allows them to jump moderate fences, and digging instincts can compromise fence lines if they see prey on the other side.
Multi-Species Compatibility
| Species | Curly Coated Retriever | English Setter |
|---|---|---|
| With Cats | Generally safe with proper introduction | Risky - while some can live with cats if raised together, the instinct to chase is hardwired. Generally not safe. |
| Small Mammals | Supervision required | Caution required - rabbits and hamsters trigger the chase instinct. Supervision mandatory. |
| Birds / Reptiles | Caution advised | Unsafe - birds are their ancestral prey. Will fixate on bird cages causing stress to both animals. |
Advanced Behavior
| Trait | Curly Coated Retriever | English Setter |
|---|---|---|
| Predatory Sequence Risk | Medium | Arrested |
| Biddability | Low | High |
| Noise Sensitivity | Low | Low |
| Territorial Barking | ||
| Same-Sex Aggression Onset | 18 months | N/A |
English Setter: Predatory sequence is Orient -> Eye -> Stalk -> Chase -> Point. The 'Grab-Bite' and 'Kill-Bite' are usually inhibited, meaning they are less dangerous to prey than terriers, but the chase drive is just as strong. They want to please but are easily distracted by birds.
First Year & Life Stages
First Year Challenges
| Challenge | Curly Coated Retriever | English Setter |
|---|---|---|
| Puppy Difficulty | ||
| Destructive Phase | 6-24 | 7-12 |
| House Training | Moderate | Medium |
| Crate Training | Medium | High |
| Adolescent Regression |
Curly Coated Retriever: Curly Coated Retriever puppies require consistent training and patience.
English Setter: Setter puppies combine high energy with a distractible hunting brain. House training can be slower than average (sensitive to surface textures). Very mouthy and prone to chewing furniture if bored. Around 8-10 months, they often 'forget' recall - this is when they're most likely to run off after a bird.
Life Stages Timeline
| Stage | Curly Coated Retriever | English Setter |
|---|---|---|
| Puppy Phase | 12 months | 12 months |
| Adolescence | 6-18 | 12-24 |
| Adult Years | 2-8 | 2-8 |
| Senior Onset | ~8 years | ~9 years |
| Peak Energy Age | 1-3 years | 1-3 years |
Size & Physical Characteristics
Physical Stats
| Measurement | Curly Coated Retriever | English Setter |
|---|---|---|
| Height | N/A | 61-69 cm |
| Weight | Not enough data yet | Not enough data yet |
| Size Category | Large | Large |
| Lifespan | 10–12 years | 11–13 years |
| Litter Size | 4-8 | 6-8 |
Curly Coated Retriever Coat
English Setter Coat
Lineage & Origin
| Detail | Curly Coated Retriever | English Setter |
|---|---|---|
| Original Purpose | The Curly Coated Retriever is likely the oldest of the retriever breeds, established in England as e | Locating and setting (pointing) game birds on English moors for net and gun hunters |
| Origin | N/A | England, 15th-17th century |
Breeding Details
| Detail | Curly Coated Retriever | English Setter |
|---|---|---|
| C-Section Rate | Varies | Low |
| Whelping Difficulty | Medium | Easy |
| Puppy Mortality Rate | Low | Low |
Physical Risks
| Risk | Curly Coated Retriever | English Setter |
|---|---|---|
| Bloat / GDV Risk | Low | High |
| Slippery Floor Risk | Low | Medium |
| Min Fence Height | 1.5m | 1.5m |
| Dig / Escape Risk | Low | Medium |
Health & Common Conditions
Curly Coated Retriever Health Issues
English Setter Health Issues
Curly Coated Retriever Suggested Tests
- DNA testing for GSD IIIa
- Regular veterinary screenings for cancer
- Gastropexy (stomach tacking) for Bloat
- DNA testing for EIC
- Annual ophthalmologist evaluations (CAER) for PRA
- Hip and Elbow Dysplasia screening (BVA scoring)
English Setter Suggested Tests
- BAER (Brainstem Auditory Evoked Response) test for deafness
- Hip Evaluation (OFA or PennHIP)
- Thyroid Evaluation
- Elbow Evaluation
Health Risk Overview
| Risk Factor | Curly Coated Retriever | English Setter |
|---|---|---|
| Cancer Risk | Medium | Medium |
| Cardiac Risk | Low | Low |
| Neurological Risk | Low | Low |
| CCL/ACL Tear Risk | Low | Medium |
| Vet Burden Tier | Medium | Medium |
Sensitivities & Allergies
| Sensitivity | Curly Coated Retriever | English Setter |
|---|---|---|
| Skin Allergies | ||
| Environmental Allergies | ||
| Stomach Sensitivity | Low | Low |
| Food Allergies | Grain sensitivities possible |
Health Maintenance
| Care Item | Curly Coated Retriever | English Setter |
|---|---|---|
| Nail Growth Rate | Normal | Normal |
| Eye Care Needs | Low | Low |
| Anal Gland Issues | Occasional | Rare |
Senior Care & Aging
Curly Coated Retriever Senior Care
Common Senior Issues
- Arthritis
- Vision decline
- Cognitive changes
Senior care varies by individual health.
English Setter Senior Care
Common Senior Issues
- Arthritis/joint stiffness
- Cancer (hemangiosarcoma, lymphoma)
- Hearing loss
- Mobility issues
Quality of life often remains good until late. Cancer and mobility issues are the common end-of-life factors. Some reach 14-15 years.
Grooming & Care
Curly Coated Retriever
low maintenanceEnglish Setter
high maintenanceLifestyle Compatibility
Curly Coated Retriever Daily Life
English Setter Daily Life
Housing & Legal Restrictions
| Restriction | Curly Coated Retriever | English Setter |
|---|---|---|
| BSL Restricted | ||
| Common Rental Ban | ||
| Insurance Blacklist | ||
| Weight Category | Under 50lbs | Over 50lbs |
Climate Tolerance
| Climate | Curly Coated Retriever | English Setter |
|---|---|---|
| Heat Tolerance | ||
| Cold Tolerance | ||
| Water Affinity | Medium | High |
Travel Compatibility
| Activity | Curly Coated Retriever | English Setter |
|---|---|---|
| Car Travel | Good | Good |
| Camping | ||
| Beach Friendly | ||
| Hiking Rating | ||
| Cabin Flight Eligible | ||
| Hotel Friendly Size |
Niche Suitability
| Role | Curly Coated Retriever | English Setter |
|---|---|---|
| Service Dog | Low | Low |
| Therapy Dog | Low | Medium |
| Deep Pressure Therapy | ||
| Canicross / Bikejoring | ||
| Apartment Adaptable | ||
| Tactile / Sensory Friendly | ||
| Livestock Guardian | ||
| Medical Alert | Low | Low |
Costs & Expenses
Upfront Costs
| Cost | Curly Coated Retriever | English Setter |
|---|---|---|
| Purchase Price | N/A | $1,000-1,500 |
| Initial Cost Range | $1,000–$2,500 | $1,300–$2,000 |
| Cost Tier |
Ongoing Costs
| Cost | Curly Coated Retriever | English Setter |
|---|---|---|
| Monthly Range | $120–$190 | $180–$275 |
| Yearly Range | $1,440–$2,280 | $2,160–$3,300 |
| Food / Month | $70-100 | $75-125 |
| Insurance / Month | $50-90 | $40-70 |
| Grooming / Session | $0-50 | $65-100 |
| Vet Routine / Year | N/A | $600-960 |
| Monthly Cost Tier |
Curly Coated Retriever Lifetime Cost
N/A
English Setter Lifetime Cost
$25,000-45,000
Quirks & Fun Facts
Daily Quirks
| Quirk | Curly Coated Retriever | English Setter |
|---|---|---|
| Snoring | ||
| Flatulence | Occasional | Rare |
| Slobber Level | Low | Moderate |
| Smell When Wet | Moderate | Strong |
| Zoomies Frequency | Occasional | Daily |
| Counter Surfing | ||
| Digging Tendency | Low | Medium |
English Setter Quirks
Setter Sprawl
Famous for sleeping in bizarre, contorted positions on furniture
Water Dripper
Loose 'flews' (lips) that drip water after drinking and leave slime on your pants after a nudge
Velcro Attachment
Will follow you to the bathroom - they need to be integrated into family life, not left as backyard dogs
The Off Switch
Indoors, a well-exercised Setter is a 'rug dog' - calm, quiet, and happy to sleep. Not hyperactive pacers like some herding breeds.
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