English Setter vs Mastiff
A side-by-side comparison to help you find the right breed for your lifestyle.
English Setter
Also known as: Laverack Setter, Llewellin Setter
The English Setter is a graceful and elegant gun dog known for its distinctive feathered coat and gentle demeanor. Often called the 'gentleman of the dog world,' they combine athletic prowess with a sweet, affectionate temperament that makes them exceptional family companions for active households.
Large
High
11-13 yrs
61-69 cm
Mastiff
Also known as: English Mastiff, Old English Mastiff
The Mastiff (English Mastiff) is a giant guardian breed of immense dignity, courage, and docility. With ancestors depicted in Assyrian bas-reliefs from 2500 BC, these ancient war dogs and estate guardians have been bred down to gentle family companions. But the reality of living with a dog that can exceed 200lbs is often romanticized - between the short 6-10 year lifespan, potential for bone cancer, and costs that dwarf most breeds, they're called a 'heartbreak breed' for good reason.
Extra Large
Low
6-10 yrs
70-76+ cm
70-104+ kg
Quick Comparison
| Trait | English Setter | Mastiff |
|---|---|---|
| Energy | ||
| Trainability | ||
| Grooming Needs | ||
| Family Friendly | ||
| Independence |
Key Characteristics
| Good with Kids | ||
| Good with Dogs | ||
| Good with Cats | ||
| Hypoallergenic | ||
| Apartment Friendly | ||
| First-Time Owner OK |
| Detail | English Setter | Mastiff |
|---|---|---|
| Size | Large | Extra Large |
| Energy Level | High | Low |
| Grooming | High | High |
| Trainability | Moderate | challenging |
| Barking Level | Medium | Medium |
| Shedding Level | High | Medium |
| Chew strength | Moderate | Hard |
| Housing | Yard | Yard |
Owner Fit & Decision Guide
Owner Match
| Trait | English Setter | Mastiff |
|---|---|---|
| Experience Level | Intermediate | Advanced |
| First-Time Owner | ||
| Ideal Owner | Hikers, runners, hunters, or active families with a large fenced yard. Someone who works from home or can provide companionship. Understanding they are getting a hunting dog, not a couch ornament. | Experienced large breed owner with house and yard. Works from home or can be home most of the day. Financially prepared for $3,000+ annual costs and $5,000+ emergency fund. Physically able to manage 200lb dog. Psychologically prepared for 6-10 year lifespan and likely cancer diagnosis. |
English Setter Dealbreakers
- No fenced yard - dealing with a Setter without secure fencing is a part-time job
- Work long hours away from home - separation anxiety is significant
- Cannot commit to 60-90 min daily exercise
- Fastidious housekeepers - mud, hair, and water drips are part of the package
Mastiff Dealbreakers
- Apartment living (unless ground floor and extremely dedicated)
- Fastidious cleaners (drool/hair is unmanageable)
- Tight budget (one vet bill can bankrupt you)
- Physically frail owners (cannot hold 200lb dog on leash)
- Cannot emotionally handle short lifespan
Surrender Risk
| Factor | English Setter | Mastiff |
|---|---|---|
| Risk Level | Medium | Medium |
| Primary Reasons | Escaping - 'He won't stay in the yard', Too much energy for owner's lifestyle, Separation anxiety and barking when left alone | 'Moving/Housing Restrictions' - landlords evict due to size/breed, Cost - giant breed vet bills shock unprepared owners, Cute puppy becomes 150lb adolescent they can't afford to feed or vet |
Temperament & Personality
Behavior Comparison
| Trait | English Setter | Mastiff |
|---|---|---|
| Prey Drive | ||
| Watchdog Ability | ||
| Stranger Friendly | ||
| Drool Level | ||
| Wanderlust |
Vocalization
| Trait | English Setter | Mastiff |
|---|---|---|
| Barking Level | Medium | Medium |
| Howling Tendency | ||
| Whining Tendency | Medium | Low |
| Separation Vocalization |
Safety & Reliability
| Trait | English Setter | Mastiff |
|---|---|---|
| Escape Artist | ||
| Dog Park Suitable | ||
| Off-Leash Reliable | ||
| Small Animal Safe | ||
| Leash Reactivity | ||
| Resource Guarding Risk | Low | Moderate |
English Setter Social Traits
Low
Low - generally excellent with other dogs and enjoy pack life. Same-sex aggression is rare.
Mastiff Social Traits
High
Same-sex aggression can develop around 18-24 months. Socialization critical to prevent wariness becoming fear-aggression.
Training
English Setter
- They are 'soft' dogs - harsh corrections or yelling will cause them to shut down or become fearful
- Recall training must be proofed with high distractions - a long line is recommended until reliability is 100%
- Use high-value treats to compete with bird distractions
Mastiff
- Ask once, then lure/help them succeed
- Train for partnership, not just obedience
- Start leash manners EARLY before they're physically unmanageable
- Use high-value treats - they are food motivated
English Setter Considerations
English Setters are intensely social 'velcro' dogs that bond deeply with their humans. Left alone for 8+ hours without conditioning or companionship, they frequently develop severe anxiety manifesting as destructive chewing, house soiling, and persistent howling.
Their predatory drive is all-consuming. On walks, they may become deaf to commands if they catch a scent or spot a bird. Off-leash reliability in unfenced areas is nearly impossible for the average owner.
Bored or under-exercised Setters are notorious for testing perimeter security. Their athleticism allows them to jump moderate fences, and digging instincts can compromise fence lines if they see prey on the other side.
Mastiff Considerations
Average lifespan is only 6-10 years, with 8 being the median. Owners must be psychologically prepared to lose their companion just as they enter their senior years. Bone cancer is the leading cause of death.
Unlike eager-to-please breeds, Mastiffs often ask 'Why?' before complying. When they decide not to cooperate, they simply flatten themselves to the floor - physically unmanageable at 200lbs. Harsh training causes complete shutdown.
Mature Mastiffs can develop intolerance toward dogs of the same sex, typically emerging around 18-24 months. Difficult to manage due to sheer power differential between owner and dog.
$150-300/month for food alone. Insurance $100-200+/month. All medications priced by weight (3-4x cost of Labrador). A single emergency can exceed $5,000. If this would bankrupt you, do not get this breed.
Multi-Species Compatibility
| Species | English Setter | Mastiff |
|---|---|---|
| With Cats | Risky - while some can live with cats if raised together, the instinct to chase is hardwired. Generally not safe. | Generally safe if raised together - low prey drive |
| Small Mammals | Caution required - rabbits and hamsters trigger the chase instinct. Supervision mandatory. | Generally safe - no terrier-like kill instinct |
| Birds / Reptiles | Unsafe - birds are their ancestral prey. Will fixate on bird cages causing stress to both animals. | Generally neutral |
Advanced Behavior
| Trait | English Setter | Mastiff |
|---|---|---|
| Predatory Sequence Risk | Arrested | Arrested |
| Biddability | High | Low |
| Noise Sensitivity | Low | Low |
| Territorial Barking | ||
| Same-Sex Aggression Onset | N/A | 18 months |
English Setter: Predatory sequence is Orient -> Eye -> Stalk -> Chase -> Point. The 'Grab-Bite' and 'Kill-Bite' are usually inhibited, meaning they are less dangerous to prey than terriers, but the chase drive is just as strong. They want to please but are easily distracted by birds.
Mastiff: Predatory sequence arrested: Orient -> Eye -> (Stalk/Chase/Grab/Kill inhibited). They may chase out of territorial instinct but lack 'kill bite' of terriers. High adaptive intelligence (problem-solving), low working intelligence (obedience repetition). They work for partnership, not just kibble.
First Year & Life Stages
First Year Challenges
| Challenge | English Setter | Mastiff |
|---|---|---|
| Puppy Difficulty | ||
| Destructive Phase | 7-12 | 6-18 |
| House Training | Medium | Medium |
| Crate Training | High | Medium |
| Adolescent Regression |
English Setter: Setter puppies combine high energy with a distractible hunting brain. House training can be slower than average (sensitive to surface textures). Very mouthy and prone to chewing furniture if bored. Around 8-10 months, they often 'forget' recall - this is when they're most likely to run off after a bird.
Mastiff: Calmer than sporting/herding breeds but 6-month puppy can weigh 80lbs with baby brain. They are clumsy, mouthy, and accidentally knock over children/furniture. Teething Mastiff can chew through solid wood door frames. A rebellious 150lb teenager pulling on leash is a safety hazard.
Life Stages Timeline
| Stage | English Setter | Mastiff |
|---|---|---|
| Puppy Phase | 12 months | 18 months |
| Adolescence | 12-24 | 18-36 |
| Adult Years | 2-8 | 3-6 |
| Senior Onset | ~9 years | ~6 years |
| Peak Energy Age | 1-3 years | 1-2 years |
Size & Physical Characteristics
Physical Stats
| Measurement | English Setter | Mastiff |
|---|---|---|
| Height | 61-69 cm | 70-76+ cm |
| Weight | Not enough data yet | Not enough data yet |
| Size Category | Large | Extra Large |
| Lifespan | 11–13 years | 6–10 years |
| Litter Size | 6-8 | 8-10 |
English Setter Coat
Mastiff Coat
Lineage & Origin
| Detail | English Setter | Mastiff |
|---|---|---|
| Original Purpose | Locating and setting (pointing) game birds on English moors for net and gun hunters | War dogs, guardians, and hunters of large game (lions, bears, wolves). In England, estate guardians protecting from poachers. Job was to seize and hold intruders using sheer mass. |
| Origin | England, 15th-17th century | Ancient breed - ancestors depicted in Assyrian bas-reliefs from 2500 BC |
Breeding Details
| Detail | English Setter | Mastiff |
|---|---|---|
| C-Section Rate | Low | High |
| Whelping Difficulty | Easy | High |
| Puppy Mortality Rate | Low | Moderate |
Physical Risks
| Risk | English Setter | Mastiff |
|---|---|---|
| Bloat / GDV Risk | High | High |
| Slippery Floor Risk | Medium | High |
| Min Fence Height | 1.5m | 1.8m |
| Dig / Escape Risk | Medium | Low |
Health & Common Conditions
English Setter Health Issues
Mastiff Health Issues
English Setter Suggested Tests
- BAER (Brainstem Auditory Evoked Response) test for deafness
- Hip Evaluation (OFA or PennHIP)
- Thyroid Evaluation
- Elbow Evaluation
Mastiff Suggested Tests
- PRA (Progressive Retinal Atrophy)
- Cystinuria DNA test
- DM (Degenerative Myelopathy)
- OFA or PennHIP for hips and elbows
- Cardiac evaluation
Health Risk Overview
| Risk Factor | English Setter | Mastiff |
|---|---|---|
| Cancer Risk | Medium | Very High |
| Cardiac Risk | Low | Medium |
| Neurological Risk | Low | Low |
| CCL/ACL Tear Risk | Medium | High |
| Vet Burden Tier | Medium | Very High |
Sensitivities & Allergies
| Sensitivity | English Setter | Mastiff |
|---|---|---|
| Skin Allergies | ||
| Environmental Allergies | ||
| Stomach Sensitivity | Low | Medium |
| Food Allergies | Grain sensitivities possible |
Health Maintenance
| Care Item | English Setter | Mastiff |
|---|---|---|
| Nail Growth Rate | Normal | Fast |
| Eye Care Needs | Low | Medium |
| Anal Gland Issues | Rare | Occasional |
Senior Care & Aging
English Setter Senior Care
Common Senior Issues
- Arthritis/joint stiffness
- Cancer (hemangiosarcoma, lymphoma)
- Hearing loss
- Mobility issues
Quality of life often remains good until late. Cancer and mobility issues are the common end-of-life factors. Some reach 14-15 years.
Mastiff Senior Care
Common Senior Issues
- Bone cancer (osteosarcoma)
- Arthritis (almost guaranteed)
- Heart issues
Rapid decline often starts around 6 years. May need 'Help 'Em Up' harness to assist standing. Euthanasia at home recommended if possible - transporting non-ambulatory 200lb dog to vet clinic is physically impossible for most owners without stretcher and team.
Grooming & Care
English Setter
high maintenanceMastiff
high maintenanceLifestyle Compatibility
English Setter Daily Life
Mastiff Daily Life
Housing & Legal Restrictions
| Restriction | English Setter | Mastiff |
|---|---|---|
| BSL Restricted | ||
| Common Rental Ban | ||
| Insurance Blacklist | ||
| Weight Category | Over 50lbs | Over 50lbs |
Climate Tolerance
| Climate | English Setter | Mastiff |
|---|---|---|
| Heat Tolerance | ||
| Cold Tolerance | ||
| Water Affinity | High | Low |
Travel Compatibility
| Activity | English Setter | Mastiff |
|---|---|---|
| Car Travel | Good | Good |
| Camping | ||
| Beach Friendly | ||
| Hiking Rating | ||
| Cabin Flight Eligible | ||
| Hotel Friendly Size |
Niche Suitability
| Role | English Setter | Mastiff |
|---|---|---|
| Service Dog | Low | Low |
| Therapy Dog | Medium | Medium |
| Deep Pressure Therapy | ||
| Canicross / Bikejoring | ||
| Apartment Adaptable | ||
| Tactile / Sensory Friendly | ||
| Livestock Guardian | ||
| Medical Alert | Low | Low |
Costs & Expenses
Upfront Costs
| Cost | English Setter | Mastiff |
|---|---|---|
| Purchase Price | $1,000-1,500 | $1,500-4,000 |
| Initial Cost Range | $1,300–$2,000 | $1,500–$4,000 |
| Cost Tier |
Ongoing Costs
| Cost | English Setter | Mastiff |
|---|---|---|
| Monthly Range | $180–$275 | $300–$600 |
| Yearly Range | $2,160–$3,300 | $3,600–$7,200 |
| Food / Month | $75-125 | $150-300 |
| Insurance / Month | $40-70 | $100-200+ |
| Grooming / Session | $65-100 | $75-125 |
| Vet Routine / Year | $600-960 | $450-600 |
| Monthly Cost Tier |
English Setter Lifetime Cost
$25,000-45,000
Mastiff Lifetime Cost
$25,000-60,000
Quirks & Fun Facts
Daily Quirks
| Quirk | English Setter | Mastiff |
|---|---|---|
| Snoring | ||
| Flatulence | Rare | Frequent |
| Slobber Level | Moderate | Heavy |
| Smell When Wet | Strong | Strong |
| Zoomies Frequency | Daily | Rare |
| Counter Surfing | ||
| Digging Tendency | Medium | Low |
English Setter Quirks
Setter Sprawl
Famous for sleeping in bizarre, contorted positions on furniture
Water Dripper
Loose 'flews' (lips) that drip water after drinking and leave slime on your pants after a nudge
Velcro Attachment
Will follow you to the bathroom - they need to be integrated into family life, not left as backyard dogs
The Off Switch
Indoors, a well-exercised Setter is a 'rug dog' - calm, quiet, and happy to sleep. Not hyperactive pacers like some herding breeds.
Mastiff Quirks
The Mastiff Lean
Will lean their full weight (up to 200lbs) against your legs. Fall risk for children and elderly.
Ceiling Slobber
Not just when eating - they shake heads and 'fling' slime. It will be on clothes, walls, and TV.
Passive Resistance
When they don't want to do something, they simply flatten to the floor. Physically impossible to move a 200lb dog that doesn't want to move.
Room-Clearing Gas
Flatulence is frequent and potent, often clearing a room.
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