English Setter vs Shiba Inu
A side-by-side comparison to help you find the right breed for your lifestyle.
English Setter
Also known as: Laverack Setter, Llewellin Setter
The English Setter is a graceful and elegant gun dog known for its distinctive feathered coat and gentle demeanor. Often called the 'gentleman of the dog world,' they combine athletic prowess with a sweet, affectionate temperament that makes them exceptional family companions for active households.
Large
High
11-13 yrs
61-69 cm
Shiba Inu
Also known as: Japanese Shiba Inu, Shiba Ken, Brushwood Dog
The Shiba Inu is not a 'dog' in the traditional Western sense - it's a primitive Japanese hunting breed that behaves more like a cat. While their 'Doge' meme popularity has skyrocketed, this has led to high surrender rates due to mismatch between expectation and reality. They require experienced owners who understand their stubborn, independent nature.
Small
Medium
14.6 yrs
35-43 cm
8-11 kg
Quick Comparison
| Trait | English Setter | Shiba Inu |
|---|---|---|
| Energy | ||
| Trainability | ||
| Grooming Needs | ||
| Family Friendly | ||
| Independence |
Key Characteristics
| Good with Kids | ||
| Good with Dogs | ||
| Good with Cats | ||
| Hypoallergenic | ||
| Apartment Friendly | ||
| First-Time Owner OK |
| Detail | English Setter | Shiba Inu |
|---|---|---|
| Size | Large | Small |
| Energy Level | High | Medium |
| Grooming | High | Medium |
| Trainability | Moderate | challenging |
| Barking Level | Medium | Low |
| Shedding Level | High | High |
| Chew strength | Moderate | Moderate |
| Housing | Yard | Apartment |
Owner Fit & Decision Guide
Owner Match
| Trait | English Setter | Shiba Inu |
|---|---|---|
| Experience Level | Intermediate | Intermediate to Advanced |
| First-Time Owner | ||
| Ideal Owner | Hikers, runners, hunters, or active families with a large fenced yard. Someone who works from home or can provide companionship. Understanding they are getting a hunting dog, not a couch ornament. | Working single or couple without young children. Appreciates cat-like independence. Patient with stubborn behavior. Has secure fenced yard or commits to always-leashed walks. Understands operant conditioning and positive reinforcement. |
English Setter Dealbreakers
- No fenced yard - dealing with a Setter without secure fencing is a part-time job
- Work long hours away from home - separation anxiety is significant
- Cannot commit to 60-90 min daily exercise
- Fastidious housekeepers - mud, hair, and water drips are part of the package
Shiba Inu Dealbreakers
- Want a cuddle buddy - get a Golden Retriever. Shibas sit near you, not on you
- Want an off-leash hiking dog - get a Border Collie. Shibas will run away
- Have toddlers - risk of bite due to handling intolerance is too high
- Cannot handle stubborn refusal (the 'Shiba Halt')
Surrender Risk
| Factor | English Setter | Shiba Inu |
|---|---|---|
| Risk Level | Medium | Medium |
| Primary Reasons | Escaping - 'He won't stay in the yard', Too much energy for owner's lifestyle, Separation anxiety and barking when left alone | He bites when I try to take his toy - resource guarding, He attacks other dogs - same-sex dog aggression, Many bought for 'meme' factor without realizing they're buying a primitive hunting dog |
Temperament & Personality
Behavior Comparison
| Trait | English Setter | Shiba Inu |
|---|---|---|
| Prey Drive | ||
| Watchdog Ability | ||
| Stranger Friendly | ||
| Drool Level | ||
| Wanderlust |
Vocalization
| Trait | English Setter | Shiba Inu |
|---|---|---|
| Barking Level | Medium | Low |
| Howling Tendency | ||
| Whining Tendency | Medium | Low |
| Separation Vocalization |
Safety & Reliability
| Trait | English Setter | Shiba Inu |
|---|---|---|
| Escape Artist | ||
| Dog Park Suitable | ||
| Off-Leash Reliable | ||
| Small Animal Safe | ||
| Leash Reactivity | ||
| Resource Guarding Risk | Low | Moderate to High |
English Setter Social Traits
Low
Low - generally excellent with other dogs and enjoy pack life. Same-sex aggression is rare.
Shiba Inu Social Traits
High
High - same-sex aggression common. Play rough (body slamming, growling) which other breeds misinterpret.
Training
English Setter
- They are 'soft' dogs - harsh corrections or yelling will cause them to shut down or become fearful
- Recall training must be proofed with high distractions - a long line is recommended until reliability is 100%
- Use high-value treats to compete with bird distractions
Shiba Inu
- Make it worth their while - they only work for valuable rewards
- Never force into scary situations - creates permanent reactivity
- Start handling desensitization day one for vet visits and nail trims
- Accept that recall will never be reliable off-leash
English Setter Considerations
English Setters are intensely social 'velcro' dogs that bond deeply with their humans. Left alone for 8+ hours without conditioning or companionship, they frequently develop severe anxiety manifesting as destructive chewing, house soiling, and persistent howling.
Their predatory drive is all-consuming. On walks, they may become deaf to commands if they catch a scent or spot a bird. Off-leash reliability in unfenced areas is nearly impossible for the average owner.
Bored or under-exercised Setters are notorious for testing perimeter security. Their athleticism allows them to jump moderate fences, and digging instincts can compromise fence lines if they see prey on the other side.
Shiba Inu Considerations
Extreme stubbornness. If a Shiba doesn't want to walk, it will plant its feet and refuse to move. This is not a training failure - it's a personality trait.
Unlike Golden Retrievers that tolerate hugs, Shibas have strict bodily autonomy boundaries. They may snap or scream if touched in a way they dislike - risky for families with toddlers.
Highly common for Shibas to develop aggression toward dogs of the same sex, typically emerging at 18-24 months. Dog parks become impossible.
You can almost NEVER trust a Shiba off-leash. Their prey drive and independence override training. If they see a squirrel or decide to explore, they're gone.
Multi-Species Compatibility
| Species | English Setter | Shiba Inu |
|---|---|---|
| With Cats | Risky - while some can live with cats if raised together, the instinct to chase is hardwired. Generally not safe. | Proceed with caution - high prey drive, may chase running cats |
| Small Mammals | Caution required - rabbits and hamsters trigger the chase instinct. Supervision mandatory. | UNSAFE - will hunt them |
| Birds / Reptiles | Unsafe - birds are their ancestral prey. Will fixate on bird cages causing stress to both animals. | Unsafe |
Advanced Behavior
| Trait | English Setter | Shiba Inu |
|---|---|---|
| Predatory Sequence Risk | Arrested | Full |
| Biddability | High | Low |
| Noise Sensitivity | Low | Medium |
| Territorial Barking | ||
| Same-Sex Aggression Onset | N/A | 18 months |
English Setter: Predatory sequence is Orient -> Eye -> Stalk -> Chase -> Point. The 'Grab-Bite' and 'Kill-Bite' are usually inhibited, meaning they are less dangerous to prey than terriers, but the chase drive is just as strong. They want to please but are easily distracted by birds.
Shiba Inu: Full predatory sequence (Eye -> Stalk -> Chase -> Grab -> Kill) retained from hunting heritage. High adaptive intelligence (problem solving - opening latches, escaping crates) but will fail obedience tests because they don't see the point.
First Year & Life Stages
First Year Challenges
| Challenge | English Setter | Shiba Inu |
|---|---|---|
| Puppy Difficulty | ||
| Destructive Phase | 7-12 | 6-12 |
| House Training | Medium | Easy |
| Crate Training | High | Medium |
| Adolescent Regression |
English Setter: Setter puppies combine high energy with a distractible hunting brain. House training can be slower than average (sensitive to surface textures). Very mouthy and prone to chewing furniture if bored. Around 8-10 months, they often 'forget' recall - this is when they're most likely to run off after a bird.
Shiba Inu: While exceptionally clean and often house-trained by 8 weeks with zero accidents, the 'land shark' phase is intense - they bite hard and frequently during play. Their intolerance for handling makes vet visits and nail trims a battle from day one if not desensitized.
Life Stages Timeline
| Stage | English Setter | Shiba Inu |
|---|---|---|
| Puppy Phase | 12 months | 12 months |
| Adolescence | 12-24 | 6-18 |
| Adult Years | 2-8 | 2-10 |
| Senior Onset | ~9 years | ~10 years |
| Peak Energy Age | 1-3 years | 1-3 years |
Size & Physical Characteristics
Physical Stats
| Measurement | English Setter | Shiba Inu |
|---|---|---|
| Height | 61-69 cm | 35-43 cm |
| Weight | Not enough data yet | Not enough data yet |
| Size Category | Large | Small |
| Lifespan | 11–13 years | 15 years |
| Litter Size | 6-8 | 2-4 |
English Setter Coat
Shiba Inu Coat
Lineage & Origin
| Detail | English Setter | Shiba Inu |
|---|---|---|
| Original Purpose | Locating and setting (pointing) game birds on English moors for net and gun hunters | Hunting small game (birds, rabbits) and occasionally wild boar in dense mountainous brush in Japan |
| Origin | England, 15th-17th century | Japan, ancient breed - smallest of six native Japanese Spitz breeds (Nihon Ken) |
Breeding Details
| Detail | English Setter | Shiba Inu |
|---|---|---|
| C-Section Rate | Low | Low |
| Whelping Difficulty | Easy | Easy |
| Puppy Mortality Rate | Low | Low |
Physical Risks
| Risk | English Setter | Shiba Inu |
|---|---|---|
| Bloat / GDV Risk | High | Low |
| Slippery Floor Risk | Medium | Low |
| Min Fence Height | 1.5m | 1.5m |
| Dig / Escape Risk | Medium | High |
Health & Common Conditions
English Setter Health Issues
Shiba Inu Health Issues
English Setter Suggested Tests
- BAER (Brainstem Auditory Evoked Response) test for deafness
- Hip Evaluation (OFA or PennHIP)
- Thyroid Evaluation
- Elbow Evaluation
Shiba Inu Suggested Tests
- OFA Eyes (goniodysplasia/glaucoma)
- OFA Patellas
- OFA Hips
- DNA Testing for GM1 Gangliosidosis
Health Risk Overview
| Risk Factor | English Setter | Shiba Inu |
|---|---|---|
| Cancer Risk | Medium | Low |
| Cardiac Risk | Low | Low |
| Neurological Risk | Low | Low |
| CCL/ACL Tear Risk | Medium | Low |
| Vet Burden Tier | Medium | Medium |
Sensitivities & Allergies
| Sensitivity | English Setter | Shiba Inu |
|---|---|---|
| Skin Allergies | ||
| Environmental Allergies | ||
| Stomach Sensitivity | Low | Medium |
| Food Allergies | Grain sensitivities possible | Chicken, Beef, Environmental (grass, pollen) |
Health Maintenance
| Care Item | English Setter | Shiba Inu |
|---|---|---|
| Nail Growth Rate | Normal | Normal |
| Eye Care Needs | Low | High |
| Anal Gland Issues | Rare | Rare |
Senior Care & Aging
English Setter Senior Care
Common Senior Issues
- Arthritis/joint stiffness
- Cancer (hemangiosarcoma, lymphoma)
- Hearing loss
- Mobility issues
Quality of life often remains good until late. Cancer and mobility issues are the common end-of-life factors. Some reach 14-15 years.
Shiba Inu Senior Care
Common Senior Issues
- Cognitive dysfunction (dementia) in very old Shibas (15+)
- Arthritis
- Vision decline (glaucoma risk)
Long-lived breed. VetCompass UK data shows median lifespan of 14.6 years - significantly higher than average for dogs.
Grooming & Care
English Setter
high maintenanceShiba Inu
medium maintenanceLifestyle Compatibility
English Setter Daily Life
Shiba Inu Daily Life
Housing & Legal Restrictions
| Restriction | English Setter | Shiba Inu |
|---|---|---|
| BSL Restricted | ||
| Common Rental Ban | ||
| Insurance Blacklist | ||
| Weight Category | Over 50lbs | Under 25lbs |
Climate Tolerance
| Climate | English Setter | Shiba Inu |
|---|---|---|
| Heat Tolerance | ||
| Cold Tolerance | ||
| Water Affinity | High | Low |
Travel Compatibility
| Activity | English Setter | Shiba Inu |
|---|---|---|
| Car Travel | Good | Good |
| Camping | ||
| Beach Friendly | ||
| Hiking Rating | ||
| Cabin Flight Eligible | ||
| Hotel Friendly Size |
Niche Suitability
| Role | English Setter | Shiba Inu |
|---|---|---|
| Service Dog | Low | None |
| Therapy Dog | Medium | None |
| Deep Pressure Therapy | ||
| Canicross / Bikejoring | ||
| Apartment Adaptable | ||
| Tactile / Sensory Friendly | ||
| Livestock Guardian | ||
| Medical Alert | Low | None |
Costs & Expenses
Upfront Costs
| Cost | English Setter | Shiba Inu |
|---|---|---|
| Purchase Price | $1,000-1,500 | $1,500-3,500 |
| Initial Cost Range | $1,300–$2,000 | $1,500–$3,500 |
| Cost Tier |
Ongoing Costs
| Cost | English Setter | Shiba Inu |
|---|---|---|
| Monthly Range | $180–$275 | $80–$150 |
| Yearly Range | $2,160–$3,300 | $960–$1,800 |
| Food / Month | $75-125 | $40-60 |
| Insurance / Month | $40-70 | $30-50 |
| Grooming / Session | $65-100 | $0-50 |
| Vet Routine / Year | $600-960 | $300-500 |
| Monthly Cost Tier |
English Setter Lifetime Cost
$25,000-45,000
Shiba Inu Lifetime Cost
$15,000-25,000
Quirks & Fun Facts
Daily Quirks
| Quirk | English Setter | Shiba Inu |
|---|---|---|
| Snoring | ||
| Flatulence | Rare | Rare |
| Slobber Level | Moderate | None |
| Smell When Wet | Strong | Low |
| Zoomies Frequency | Daily | Daily |
| Counter Surfing | ||
| Digging Tendency | Medium | Medium |
English Setter Quirks
Setter Sprawl
Famous for sleeping in bizarre, contorted positions on furniture
Water Dripper
Loose 'flews' (lips) that drip water after drinking and leave slime on your pants after a nudge
Velcro Attachment
Will follow you to the bathroom - they need to be integrated into family life, not left as backyard dogs
The Off Switch
Indoors, a well-exercised Setter is a 'rug dog' - calm, quiet, and happy to sleep. Not hyperactive pacers like some herding breeds.
Shiba Inu Quirks
The Shiba Scream
A high-pitched, deafening vocalization when unhappy, stressed, or simply don't want to do something (like nail trims). Can be heard blocks away.
The Shiba 500
Explosive zoomies around the house or yard, often at random times
Cat-Like Cleanliness
Groom themselves like cats, avoid puddles, hate baths. One of easiest breeds to housebreak.
Drama Queens
If they step on a leaf wrong, they may scream as if their leg is broken. Extremely sensitive to physical discomfort.
The 'What's In It For Me?' Factor
Unlike Labs that work for praise, Shibas work only for high-value rewards (cheese, freeze-dried liver). If reward isn't worth the effort, they ignore you.
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