English Setter vs Shih-Poo
A side-by-side comparison to help you find the right breed for your lifestyle.
English Setter
Also known as: Laverack Setter, Llewellin Setter
The English Setter is a graceful and elegant gun dog known for its distinctive feathered coat and gentle demeanor. Often called the 'gentleman of the dog world,' they combine athletic prowess with a sweet, affectionate temperament that makes them exceptional family companions for active households.
Large
High
11-13 yrs
61-69 cm
Shih-Poo
Also known as: Shoodle, Pooshi, Shi-Poo, Shih Tzu Poodle Mix
The Shih-Poo combines the royal heritage of the Shih Tzu with the intelligence of the Poodle. This small, cuddly hybrid makes an excellent companion for apartment dwellers and families alike. Known for their affectionate nature and adaptable temperament, Shih-Poos thrive on human companionship and make wonderful lap dogs.
Small
Medium
10-18 yrs
20-33 cm
3.6-8.2 kg
Quick Comparison
| Trait | English Setter | Shih-Poo |
|---|---|---|
| Energy | ||
| Trainability | ||
| Grooming Needs | ||
| Family Friendly | ||
| Independence |
Key Characteristics
| Good with Kids | ||
| Good with Dogs | ||
| Good with Cats | ||
| Hypoallergenic | ||
| Apartment Friendly | ||
| First-Time Owner OK |
| Detail | English Setter | Shih-Poo |
|---|---|---|
| Size | Large | Small |
| Energy Level | High | Medium |
| Grooming | High | High |
| Trainability | Moderate | Moderate |
| Barking Level | Medium | High |
| Shedding Level | High | Low |
| Chew strength | Moderate | N/A |
| Housing | Yard | Apartment |
Owner Fit & Decision Guide
Owner Match
| Trait | English Setter | Shih-Poo |
|---|---|---|
| Experience Level | Intermediate | Beginner (with caveats) |
| First-Time Owner | ||
| Ideal Owner | Hikers, runners, hunters, or active families with a large fenced yard. Someone who works from home or can provide companionship. Understanding they are getting a hunting dog, not a couch ornament. | Work-from-home individual or retiree who can provide constant companionship. Lives in apartment or small space. Patient with house training. Budget for professional grooming. |
English Setter Dealbreakers
- No fenced yard - dealing with a Setter without secure fencing is a part-time job
- Work long hours away from home - separation anxiety is significant
- Cannot commit to 60-90 min daily exercise
- Fastidious housekeepers - mud, hair, and water drips are part of the package
Shih-Poo Dealbreakers
- Work long hours away from home
- Cannot afford $80+ monthly for grooming
- Expect instant potty training
- Want a jogging or hiking partner
Surrender Risk
| Factor | English Setter | Shih-Poo |
|---|---|---|
| Risk Level | Medium | Medium |
| Primary Reasons | Escaping - 'He won't stay in the yard', Too much energy for owner's lifestyle, Separation anxiety and barking when left alone | Grooming costs overwhelm owners when 'puppy cut' grows out, House soiling issues from difficult potty training, Separation anxiety behaviors misunderstood as spite |
Temperament & Personality
Behavior Comparison
| Trait | English Setter | Shih-Poo |
|---|---|---|
| Prey Drive | ||
| Watchdog Ability | ||
| Stranger Friendly | ||
| Drool Level | ||
| Wanderlust |
Vocalization
| Trait | English Setter | Shih-Poo |
|---|---|---|
| Barking Level | Medium | High |
| Howling Tendency | ||
| Whining Tendency | Medium | Medium |
| Separation Vocalization |
Safety & Reliability
| Trait | English Setter | Shih-Poo |
|---|---|---|
| Escape Artist | ||
| Dog Park Suitable | ||
| Off-Leash Reliable | ||
| Small Animal Safe | ||
| Leash Reactivity | ||
| Resource Guarding Risk | Low | Moderate |
English Setter Social Traits
Low
Low - generally excellent with other dogs and enjoy pack life. Same-sex aggression is rare.
Shih-Poo Social Traits
Low
Generally good with other dogs, but small size makes them vulnerable to rough play
Training
English Setter
- They are 'soft' dogs - harsh corrections or yelling will cause them to shut down or become fearful
- Recall training must be proofed with high distractions - a long line is recommended until reliability is 100%
- Use high-value treats to compete with bird distractions
Shih-Poo
- Use high-value treats (boiled chicken, freeze-dried liver)
- Treat them like a 100lb dog in terms of boundaries
- Harshness causes them to shut down - stay patient
- Make training feel like their idea
English Setter Considerations
English Setters are intensely social 'velcro' dogs that bond deeply with their humans. Left alone for 8+ hours without conditioning or companionship, they frequently develop severe anxiety manifesting as destructive chewing, house soiling, and persistent howling.
Their predatory drive is all-consuming. On walks, they may become deaf to commands if they catch a scent or spot a bird. Off-leash reliability in unfenced areas is nearly impossible for the average owner.
Bored or under-exercised Setters are notorious for testing perimeter security. Their athleticism allows them to jump moderate fences, and digging instincts can compromise fence lines if they see prey on the other side.
Shih-Poo Considerations
Shih-Poos do not tolerate isolation well. Owners working 8+ hours away from home often find their dog develops destructive behaviors, excessive howling, or self-mutilation due to distress. This is the primary behavioral failure mode for this breed.
Expect 4-8 months for potty training reliability. The combination of a tiny bladder and inherited Shih Tzu stubbornness means accidents will happen for months. This is significantly harder than most breeds.
While inheriting the Poodle's intelligence, they often get the Shih Tzu's independent thinking. They may know what you want but refuse to obey without clear incentive. This 'smart but stubborn' combination can frustrate owners expecting an obedient dog.
Professional grooming every 4-6 weeks is non-negotiable. Their coat mats easily and if you miss a week of brushing, you may have to shave the dog down. Budget $80+ monthly for grooming.
Multi-Species Compatibility
| Species | English Setter | Shih-Poo |
|---|---|---|
| With Cats | Risky - while some can live with cats if raised together, the instinct to chase is hardwired. Generally not safe. | Generally safe with cats, especially if raised together |
| Small Mammals | Caution required - rabbits and hamsters trigger the chase instinct. Supervision mandatory. | High safety - usually safe with rabbits/guinea pigs if introduced properly |
| Birds / Reptiles | Unsafe - birds are their ancestral prey. Will fixate on bird cages causing stress to both animals. | Moderate caution - Poodle prey drive may cause fixation on fluttering birds |
Advanced Behavior
| Trait | English Setter | Shih-Poo |
|---|---|---|
| Predatory Sequence Risk | Arrested | Arrested |
| Biddability | High | Moderate |
| Noise Sensitivity | Low | Medium |
| Territorial Barking | ||
| Same-Sex Aggression Onset | N/A | N/A |
English Setter: Predatory sequence is Orient -> Eye -> Stalk -> Chase -> Point. The 'Grab-Bite' and 'Kill-Bite' are usually inhibited, meaning they are less dangerous to prey than terriers, but the chase drive is just as strong. They want to please but are easily distracted by birds.
Shih-Poo: Predatory sequence arrested at Orient -> Eye -> Chase. They chase for fun, not to kill. Alert barking is the default setting. The Poodle side wants to work; the Shih Tzu side wants to be pampered.
First Year & Life Stages
First Year Challenges
| Challenge | English Setter | Shih-Poo |
|---|---|---|
| Puppy Difficulty | ||
| Destructive Phase | 7-12 | 6-12 |
| House Training | Medium | Hard |
| Crate Training | High | Medium |
| Adolescent Regression |
English Setter: Setter puppies combine high energy with a distractible hunting brain. House training can be slower than average (sensitive to surface textures). Very mouthy and prone to chewing furniture if bored. Around 8-10 months, they often 'forget' recall - this is when they're most likely to run off after a bird.
Shih-Poo: House training is the primary challenge - expect 4-8 months for reliability. Teething phase 6-12 months is intense. Crate training may be met with howling.
Life Stages Timeline
| Stage | English Setter | Shih-Poo |
|---|---|---|
| Puppy Phase | 12 months | 12 months |
| Adolescence | 12-24 | 6-18 |
| Adult Years | 2-8 | 2-9 |
| Senior Onset | ~9 years | ~10 years |
| Peak Energy Age | 1-3 years | 1-3 years |
Size & Physical Characteristics
Physical Stats
| Measurement | English Setter | Shih-Poo |
|---|---|---|
| Height | 61-69 cm | 20-33 cm |
| Weight | Not enough data yet | Not enough data yet |
| Size Category | Large | Small |
| Lifespan | 11–13 years | 10–18 years |
| Litter Size | 6-8 | 3-5 |
English Setter Coat
Shih-Poo Coat
Lineage & Origin
| Detail | English Setter | Shih-Poo |
|---|---|---|
| Original Purpose | Locating and setting (pointing) game birds on English moors for net and gun hunters | Designer companion dog combining Shih Tzu's lap dog nature with Poodle's intelligence and low-shedding coat |
| Origin | England, 15th-17th century | United States, 1990s-2000s (Doodle boom era) |
Breeding Details
| Detail | English Setter | Shih-Poo |
|---|---|---|
| C-Section Rate | Low | 20-25% |
| Whelping Difficulty | Easy | Medium |
| Puppy Mortality Rate | Low | Low |
Physical Risks
| Risk | English Setter | Shih-Poo |
|---|---|---|
| Bloat / GDV Risk | High | Low |
| Slippery Floor Risk | Medium | Medium |
| Min Fence Height | 1.5m | 1m |
| Dig / Escape Risk | Medium | Low |
Health & Common Conditions
English Setter Health Issues
Shih-Poo Health Issues
English Setter Suggested Tests
- BAER (Brainstem Auditory Evoked Response) test for deafness
- Hip Evaluation (OFA or PennHIP)
- Thyroid Evaluation
- Elbow Evaluation
Shih-Poo Suggested Tests
- PRA-prcd (eye blindness)
- Von Willebrand's Disease (blood clotting)
- Patellar Luxation clearances (OFA)
Health Risk Overview
| Risk Factor | English Setter | Shih-Poo |
|---|---|---|
| Cancer Risk | Medium | Low |
| Cardiac Risk | Low | Low |
| Neurological Risk | Low | Low |
| CCL/ACL Tear Risk | Medium | Low |
| Vet Burden Tier | Medium | Medium |
Sensitivities & Allergies
| Sensitivity | English Setter | Shih-Poo |
|---|---|---|
| Skin Allergies | ||
| Environmental Allergies | ||
| Stomach Sensitivity | Low | Low |
| Food Allergies | Grain sensitivities possible | No specific allergies documented |
Health Maintenance
| Care Item | English Setter | Shih-Poo |
|---|---|---|
| Nail Growth Rate | Normal | Normal |
| Eye Care Needs | Low | High |
| Anal Gland Issues | Rare | Common |
Senior Care & Aging
English Setter Senior Care
Common Senior Issues
- Arthritis/joint stiffness
- Cancer (hemangiosarcoma, lymphoma)
- Hearing loss
- Mobility issues
Quality of life often remains good until late. Cancer and mobility issues are the common end-of-life factors. Some reach 14-15 years.
Shih-Poo Senior Care
Common Senior Issues
- Arthritis/joint stiffness
- Dental problems
- Vision loss (cataracts)
- Cognitive decline (sundowning)
Provide ramps for furniture to protect back and joints. Cataracts common in senior years. Sundowning (confusion at night) can occur in very old age.
Grooming & Care
English Setter
high maintenanceShih-Poo
high maintenanceLifestyle Compatibility
English Setter Daily Life
Shih-Poo Daily Life
Housing & Legal Restrictions
| Restriction | English Setter | Shih-Poo |
|---|---|---|
| BSL Restricted | ||
| Common Rental Ban | ||
| Insurance Blacklist | ||
| Weight Category | Over 50lbs | Under 25lbs |
Climate Tolerance
| Climate | English Setter | Shih-Poo |
|---|---|---|
| Heat Tolerance | ||
| Cold Tolerance | ||
| Water Affinity | High | Low |
Travel Compatibility
| Activity | English Setter | Shih-Poo |
|---|---|---|
| Car Travel | Good | Good |
| Camping | ||
| Beach Friendly | ||
| Hiking Rating | ||
| Cabin Flight Eligible | ||
| Hotel Friendly Size |
Niche Suitability
| Role | English Setter | Shih-Poo |
|---|---|---|
| Service Dog | Low | Low |
| Therapy Dog | Medium | Medium |
| Deep Pressure Therapy | ||
| Canicross / Bikejoring | ||
| Apartment Adaptable | ||
| Tactile / Sensory Friendly | ||
| Livestock Guardian | ||
| Medical Alert | Low | Low |
Costs & Expenses
Upfront Costs
| Cost | English Setter | Shih-Poo |
|---|---|---|
| Purchase Price | $1,000-1,500 | $500-4,500 |
| Initial Cost Range | $1,300–$2,000 | $800–$5,000 |
| Cost Tier |
Ongoing Costs
| Cost | English Setter | Shih-Poo |
|---|---|---|
| Monthly Range | $180–$275 | $180–$310 |
| Yearly Range | $2,160–$3,300 | $2,160–$3,720 |
| Food / Month | $75-125 | $30-50 |
| Insurance / Month | $40-70 | $30-60 |
| Grooming / Session | $65-100 | $70-100+ |
| Vet Routine / Year | $600-960 | $600-1,200 |
| Monthly Cost Tier |
English Setter Lifetime Cost
$25,000-45,000
Shih-Poo Lifetime Cost
$25,000-55,000
Quirks & Fun Facts
Daily Quirks
| Quirk | English Setter | Shih-Poo |
|---|---|---|
| Snoring | ||
| Flatulence | Rare | Rare |
| Slobber Level | Moderate | None |
| Smell When Wet | Strong | None |
| Zoomies Frequency | Daily | Daily |
| Counter Surfing | ||
| Digging Tendency | Medium | None |
English Setter Quirks
Setter Sprawl
Famous for sleeping in bizarre, contorted positions on furniture
Water Dripper
Loose 'flews' (lips) that drip water after drinking and leave slime on your pants after a nudge
Velcro Attachment
Will follow you to the bathroom - they need to be integrated into family life, not left as backyard dogs
The Off Switch
Indoors, a well-exercised Setter is a 'rug dog' - calm, quiet, and happy to sleep. Not hyperactive pacers like some herding breeds.
Shih-Poo Quirks
The Zoomies
Daily explosions of energy where they run in circles with their butt tucked, usually lasting about 5 minutes
Coprophagia Risk
Inherited from Shih Tzu side - tendency to eat feces. Keep yard clean and monitor closely
Reverse Sneezing
A honking sound caused by soft palate spasms - scary but usually harmless
Bathroom Follower
Will follow you to the bathroom due to their velcro temperament
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