English Setter vs Scottish Sheepdog Longhair
A side-by-side comparison to help you find the right breed for your lifestyle.
English Setter
Also known as: Laverack Setter, Llewellin Setter
The English Setter is a graceful and elegant gun dog known for its distinctive feathered coat and gentle demeanor. Often called the 'gentleman of the dog world,' they combine athletic prowess with a sweet, affectionate temperament that makes them exceptional family companions for active households.
Large
High
11-13 yrs
61-69 cm
Scottish Sheepdog Longhair
Also known as: Rough Collie, Lassie Dog, Scottish Collie, Long-Haired Collie
The Scottish Sheepdog Longhair, also known as the Rough Collie, is a highly intelligent and elegant herding breed renowned for its striking long coat, loyalty, and gentle temperament. Made famous by 'Lassie,' this breed was originally developed in the Scottish Highlands as a shepherd's dog and is now cherished as a devoted family companion.
Large
Medium
12-14 yrs
56-66 cm
Quick Comparison
| Trait | English Setter | Scottish Sheepdog Longhair |
|---|---|---|
| Energy | ||
| Trainability | ||
| Grooming Needs | ||
| Family Friendly | ||
| Independence |
Key Characteristics
| Good with Kids | ||
| Good with Dogs | ||
| Good with Cats | ||
| Hypoallergenic | ||
| Apartment Friendly | ||
| First-Time Owner OK |
| Detail | English Setter | Scottish Sheepdog Longhair |
|---|---|---|
| Size | Large | Large |
| Energy Level | High | Medium |
| Grooming | High | High |
| Trainability | Moderate | Easy |
| Barking Level | Medium | High |
| Shedding Level | High | High |
| Chew strength | Moderate | Moderate |
| Housing | Yard | Yard |
Owner Fit & Decision Guide
Owner Match
| Trait | English Setter | Scottish Sheepdog Longhair |
|---|---|---|
| Experience Level | Intermediate | Beginner |
| First-Time Owner | ||
| Ideal Owner | Hikers, runners, hunters, or active families with a large fenced yard. Someone who works from home or can provide companionship. Understanding they are getting a hunting dog, not a couch ornament. | Patient person or family who appreciates regular grooming as bonding time. Tolerant of barking or willing to train 'quiet' command. Enjoys moderate activity but not extreme athletics. Uses positive reinforcement training methods. |
English Setter Dealbreakers
- No fenced yard - dealing with a Setter without secure fencing is a part-time job
- Work long hours away from home - separation anxiety is significant
- Cannot commit to 60-90 min daily exercise
- Fastidious housekeepers - mud, hair, and water drips are part of the package
Scottish Sheepdog Longhair Dealbreakers
- Cannot tolerate barking
- Want a 'wash and go' dog - grooming is a hobby here
- Want a dog to jog 10 miles with you in July
- Use harsh training methods - they are 'soft' dogs that shut down
Surrender Risk
| Factor | English Setter | Scottish Sheepdog Longhair |
|---|---|---|
| Risk Level | Medium | Low |
| Primary Reasons | Escaping - 'He won't stay in the yard', Too much energy for owner's lifestyle, Separation anxiety and barking when left alone | Barking - underestimated volume and frequency, Shedding/Grooming - extreme hair and time commitment, Lassie Effect - unrealistic expectations from TV show |
Temperament & Personality
Behavior Comparison
| Trait | English Setter | Scottish Sheepdog Longhair |
|---|---|---|
| Prey Drive | ||
| Watchdog Ability | ||
| Stranger Friendly | ||
| Drool Level | ||
| Wanderlust |
Vocalization
| Trait | English Setter | Scottish Sheepdog Longhair |
|---|---|---|
| Barking Level | Medium | High |
| Howling Tendency | ||
| Whining Tendency | Medium | Medium |
| Separation Vocalization |
Safety & Reliability
| Trait | English Setter | Scottish Sheepdog Longhair |
|---|---|---|
| Escape Artist | ||
| Dog Park Suitable | ||
| Off-Leash Reliable | ||
| Small Animal Safe | ||
| Leash Reactivity | ||
| Resource Guarding Risk | Low | Low |
English Setter Social Traits
Low
Low - generally excellent with other dogs and enjoy pack life. Same-sex aggression is rare.
Scottish Sheepdog Longhair Social Traits
Moderate
Generally dog neutral to friendly. Same-sex aggression is rare.
Training
English Setter
- They are 'soft' dogs - harsh corrections or yelling will cause them to shut down or become fearful
- Recall training must be proofed with high distractions - a long line is recommended until reliability is 100%
- Use high-value treats to compete with bird distractions
Scottish Sheepdog Longhair
- Keep sessions short (5-10 mins) and fun
- Harsh corrections will cause them to shut down or become fearful
- They are intelligent but not 'neurotic' about problem-solving like Border Collies
- Train 'quiet' command early to manage barking
English Setter Considerations
English Setters are intensely social 'velcro' dogs that bond deeply with their humans. Left alone for 8+ hours without conditioning or companionship, they frequently develop severe anxiety manifesting as destructive chewing, house soiling, and persistent howling.
Their predatory drive is all-consuming. On walks, they may become deaf to commands if they catch a scent or spot a bird. Off-leash reliability in unfenced areas is nearly impossible for the average owner.
Bored or under-exercised Setters are notorious for testing perimeter security. Their athleticism allows them to jump moderate fences, and digging instincts can compromise fence lines if they see prey on the other side.
Scottish Sheepdog Longhair Considerations
Bred to communicate with shepherds over long distances, Collies alert to everything: delivery trucks, neighbors, squirrels, and wind. Unlike a guard dog's warning bark, a Collie often barks to chat or express boredom. The bark is sharp and piercing.
Exceptionally sensitive to their environment. Thunderstorms, fireworks, and even loud arguments can cause significant distress. Poor candidates for chaotic households with constant screaming or slamming doors.
The spectacular coat requires weekly 45-60 minute line-brushing sessions. Surface brushing leaves the undercoat to mat, leading to 'felted' dogs that must be shaved - a disaster for double coats. This is a hobby, not a chore.
Young Collies may attempt to herd running children by nipping at heels. This is an arrested predatory sequence behavior, not aggression, but it can be frightening for small children and requires management.
Multi-Species Compatibility
| Species | English Setter | Scottish Sheepdog Longhair |
|---|---|---|
| With Cats | Risky - while some can live with cats if raised together, the instinct to chase is hardwired. Generally not safe. | High safety - one of the best large breeds for multi-species homes. Low prey drive. |
| Small Mammals | Caution required - rabbits and hamsters trigger the chase instinct. Supervision mandatory. | Generally safe - may try to herd but rarely has grab-bite instinct |
| Birds / Reptiles | Unsafe - birds are their ancestral prey. Will fixate on bird cages causing stress to both animals. | Good with poultry if trained, though may harass if untrained |
Advanced Behavior
| Trait | English Setter | Scottish Sheepdog Longhair |
|---|---|---|
| Predatory Sequence Risk | Arrested | Arrested |
| Biddability | High | High |
| Noise Sensitivity | Low | High |
| Territorial Barking | ||
| Same-Sex Aggression Onset | N/A | N/A |
English Setter: Predatory sequence is Orient -> Eye -> Stalk -> Chase -> Point. The 'Grab-Bite' and 'Kill-Bite' are usually inhibited, meaning they are less dangerous to prey than terriers, but the chase drive is just as strong. They want to please but are easily distracted by birds.
Scottish Sheepdog Longhair: Predatory sequence is Orient → Eye → Stalk → (Stop). They may stare at and follow cats but grab-bite is largely inhibited. They WANT to work with you - unlike Huskies who ask 'what's in it for me?' a Collie asks 'what do you want me to do?'
First Year & Life Stages
First Year Challenges
| Challenge | English Setter | Scottish Sheepdog Longhair |
|---|---|---|
| Puppy Difficulty | ||
| Destructive Phase | 7-12 | 6-14 |
| House Training | Medium | Easy |
| Crate Training | High | High |
| Adolescent Regression |
English Setter: Setter puppies combine high energy with a distractible hunting brain. House training can be slower than average (sensitive to surface textures). Very mouthy and prone to chewing furniture if bored. Around 8-10 months, they often 'forget' recall - this is when they're most likely to run off after a bird.
Scottish Sheepdog Longhair: Collie puppies are generally polite and observant, easier than Labradors or high-drive breeds. Main challenges are noise sensitivity and socialization to prevent shyness. May need ear taping for classic semi-prick look (cosmetic only).
Life Stages Timeline
| Stage | English Setter | Scottish Sheepdog Longhair |
|---|---|---|
| Puppy Phase | 12 months | 12 months |
| Adolescence | 12-24 | 6-18 |
| Adult Years | 2-8 | 2-8 |
| Senior Onset | ~9 years | ~9 years |
| Peak Energy Age | 1-3 years | 1-3 years |
Size & Physical Characteristics
Physical Stats
| Measurement | English Setter | Scottish Sheepdog Longhair |
|---|---|---|
| Height | 61-69 cm | 56-66 cm |
| Weight | Not enough data yet | Not enough data yet |
| Size Category | Large | Large |
| Lifespan | 11–13 years | 12–14 years |
| Litter Size | 6-8 | 6-10 |
English Setter Coat
Scottish Sheepdog Longhair Coat
Lineage & Origin
| Detail | English Setter | Scottish Sheepdog Longhair |
|---|---|---|
| Original Purpose | Locating and setting (pointing) game birds on English moors for net and gun hunters | Gathering and droving sheep in the Scottish Highlands, farm guardianship |
| Origin | England, 15th-17th century | Scottish Highlands and Northern England, 19th century |
Breeding Details
| Detail | English Setter | Scottish Sheepdog Longhair |
|---|---|---|
| C-Section Rate | Low | Low |
| Whelping Difficulty | Easy | Easy |
| Puppy Mortality Rate | Low | Low |
Physical Risks
| Risk | English Setter | Scottish Sheepdog Longhair |
|---|---|---|
| Bloat / GDV Risk | High | High |
| Slippery Floor Risk | Medium | Low |
| Min Fence Height | 1.5m | 1.3m |
| Dig / Escape Risk | Medium | Low |
Health & Common Conditions
English Setter Health Issues
Scottish Sheepdog Longhair Health Issues
English Setter Suggested Tests
- BAER (Brainstem Auditory Evoked Response) test for deafness
- Hip Evaluation (OFA or PennHIP)
- Thyroid Evaluation
- Elbow Evaluation
Scottish Sheepdog Longhair Suggested Tests
- MDR1 (DNA) - CRITICAL
- CEA (DNA + Clinical Exam at 6-8 weeks)
- PRA-rcd2 (DNA)
- Hip Evaluation
Health Risk Overview
| Risk Factor | English Setter | Scottish Sheepdog Longhair |
|---|---|---|
| Cancer Risk | Medium | Low |
| Cardiac Risk | Low | Low |
| Neurological Risk | Low | Low |
| CCL/ACL Tear Risk | Medium | Low |
| Vet Burden Tier | Medium | Medium |
Sensitivities & Allergies
| Sensitivity | English Setter | Scottish Sheepdog Longhair |
|---|---|---|
| Skin Allergies | ||
| Environmental Allergies | ||
| Stomach Sensitivity | Low | Low |
| Food Allergies | Grain sensitivities possible | Generally hardy |
Health Maintenance
| Care Item | English Setter | Scottish Sheepdog Longhair |
|---|---|---|
| Nail Growth Rate | Normal | Normal |
| Eye Care Needs | Low | High |
| Anal Gland Issues | Rare | Rare |
Senior Care & Aging
English Setter Senior Care
Common Senior Issues
- Arthritis/joint stiffness
- Cancer (hemangiosarcoma, lymphoma)
- Hearing loss
- Mobility issues
Quality of life often remains good until late. Cancer and mobility issues are the common end-of-life factors. Some reach 14-15 years.
Scottish Sheepdog Longhair Senior Care
Common Senior Issues
- Arthritis in hips/knees
- Cognitive decline
- Vision problems (CEA progression)
High risk of arthritis - introduce ramps for cars early to protect joints. Keep mentally engaged with nosework to slow cognitive decline.
Grooming & Care
English Setter
high maintenanceScottish Sheepdog Longhair
high maintenanceLifestyle Compatibility
English Setter Daily Life
Scottish Sheepdog Longhair Daily Life
Housing & Legal Restrictions
| Restriction | English Setter | Scottish Sheepdog Longhair |
|---|---|---|
| BSL Restricted | ||
| Common Rental Ban | ||
| Insurance Blacklist | ||
| Weight Category | Over 50lbs | Over 50lbs |
Climate Tolerance
| Climate | English Setter | Scottish Sheepdog Longhair |
|---|---|---|
| Heat Tolerance | ||
| Cold Tolerance | ||
| Water Affinity | High | Low |
Travel Compatibility
| Activity | English Setter | Scottish Sheepdog Longhair |
|---|---|---|
| Car Travel | Good | Good |
| Camping | ||
| Beach Friendly | ||
| Hiking Rating | ||
| Cabin Flight Eligible | ||
| Hotel Friendly Size |
Niche Suitability
| Role | English Setter | Scottish Sheepdog Longhair |
|---|---|---|
| Service Dog | Low | Medium |
| Therapy Dog | Medium | High |
| Deep Pressure Therapy | ||
| Canicross / Bikejoring | ||
| Apartment Adaptable | ||
| Tactile / Sensory Friendly | ||
| Livestock Guardian | ||
| Medical Alert | Low | Medium |
Costs & Expenses
Upfront Costs
| Cost | English Setter | Scottish Sheepdog Longhair |
|---|---|---|
| Purchase Price | $1,000-1,500 | $1,500-3,000 |
| Initial Cost Range | $1,300–$2,000 | $1,500–$3,000 |
| Cost Tier |
Ongoing Costs
| Cost | English Setter | Scottish Sheepdog Longhair |
|---|---|---|
| Monthly Range | $180–$275 | $150–$250 |
| Yearly Range | $2,160–$3,300 | $2,000–$3,000 |
| Food / Month | $75-125 | $60-90 |
| Insurance / Month | $40-70 | $40-70 |
| Grooming / Session | $65-100 | $80-150 |
| Vet Routine / Year | $600-960 | $600-1,000 |
| Monthly Cost Tier |
English Setter Lifetime Cost
$25,000-45,000
Scottish Sheepdog Longhair Lifetime Cost
$25,000-40,000
Quirks & Fun Facts
Daily Quirks
| Quirk | English Setter | Scottish Sheepdog Longhair |
|---|---|---|
| Snoring | ||
| Flatulence | Rare | Rare |
| Slobber Level | Moderate | None |
| Smell When Wet | Strong | Moderate |
| Zoomies Frequency | Daily | Weekly |
| Counter Surfing | ||
| Digging Tendency | Medium | Low |
English Setter Quirks
Setter Sprawl
Famous for sleeping in bizarre, contorted positions on furniture
Water Dripper
Loose 'flews' (lips) that drip water after drinking and leave slime on your pants after a nudge
Velcro Attachment
Will follow you to the bathroom - they need to be integrated into family life, not left as backyard dogs
The Off Switch
Indoors, a well-exercised Setter is a 'rug dog' - calm, quiet, and happy to sleep. Not hyperactive pacers like some herding breeds.
Scottish Sheepdog Longhair Quirks
The Collie Nose
They use their long nose to poke, prod, and nudge you - their way of holding hands
The Greeter's Grin
Some Collies 'smile' (bare their teeth) when submissive or happy. Looks terrifying to strangers but is a sign of joy.
Air Snapping
May snap the air when excited or playing
The Off Switch
Unlike Border Collies, Rough Collies have a distinct 'off switch' and are often described as couch potatoes indoors
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