Gordon Setter vs Great Pyrenees
A side-by-side comparison to help you find the right breed for your lifestyle.
Gordon Setter
The Gordon Setter is a large, athletic dog breed known for its striking black and tan coat and its origins as a skilled bird-hunting companion in Scotland. Renowned for their intelligence, loyalty, and affectionate nature, Gordon Setters make excellent family pets and thrive in active households.
Large
High
10-12 yrs
N/A
Great Pyrenees
Also known as: Pyr, Pyrenean Mountain Dog, Chien de Montagne des Pyrenees
The Great Pyrenees is a majestic livestock guardian weighing 38-72 kg, bred to work independently in the Pyrenees Mountains. While gentle with family, their nocturnal barking, roaming instinct, and independent nature require experienced owners with secure fencing. Not recommended for apartments or first-time owners.
Extra Large
Medium
10-12 yrs
65-82 cm
Quick Comparison
| Trait | Gordon Setter | Great Pyrenees |
|---|---|---|
| Energy | ||
| Trainability | ||
| Grooming Needs | ||
| Family Friendly | ||
| Independence |
Key Characteristics
| Good with Kids | ||
| Good with Dogs | ||
| Good with Cats | ||
| Hypoallergenic | ||
| Apartment Friendly | ||
| First-Time Owner OK |
| Detail | Gordon Setter | Great Pyrenees |
|---|---|---|
| Size | Large | Extra Large |
| Energy Level | High | Medium |
| Grooming | High | High |
| Trainability | challenging | challenging |
| Barking Level | High | High |
| Shedding Level | Medium | High |
| Chew strength | Moderate | Moderate |
| Housing | Yard | Acreage |
Owner Fit & Decision Guide
Owner Match
| Trait | Gordon Setter | Great Pyrenees |
|---|---|---|
| Experience Level | Experienced | Advanced |
| First-Time Owner | ||
| Ideal Owner | Active individual or family who can provide adequate exercise and training for a Gordon Setter. | Experienced owner with acreage or large securely fenced yard, tolerant of nocturnal barking, understanding of independent working breeds, possibly with livestock to guard. Patient with training and comfortable with a dog that thinks for itself. |
Gordon Setter Dealbreakers
- Cannot meet 60-90 min daily exercise
- Cannot commit to grooming needs
Great Pyrenees Dealbreakers
- Live in an apartment or rental
- Have close neighbors sensitive to barking
- Want a dog that obeys commands instantly
- Don't have a secure physical fence
- Want a pristine, fur-free home
- Need a running or high-intensity exercise partner
Surrender Risk
| Factor | Gordon Setter | Great Pyrenees |
|---|---|---|
| Risk Level | Medium | High |
| Primary Reasons | Underestimated exercise needs, Behavioral challenges, Cost of care | Nocturnal barking - owners get a fluffy puppy that starts barking all night at 1 year old, Roaming/escape - jumping fences to expand territory, Resource guarding - growling over food scares families who expected Golden Retriever temperament, Size underestimated - 120lb dog that refuses to move and may growl when asked to get off couch |
Temperament & Personality
Behavior Comparison
| Trait | Gordon Setter | Great Pyrenees |
|---|---|---|
| Prey Drive | ||
| Watchdog Ability | ||
| Stranger Friendly | ||
| Drool Level | ||
| Wanderlust |
Vocalization
| Trait | Gordon Setter | Great Pyrenees |
|---|---|---|
| Barking Level | High | High |
| Howling Tendency | ||
| Whining Tendency | Low | Low |
| Separation Vocalization |
Safety & Reliability
| Trait | Gordon Setter | Great Pyrenees |
|---|---|---|
| Escape Artist | ||
| Dog Park Suitable | ||
| Off-Leash Reliable | ||
| Small Animal Safe | ||
| Leash Reactivity | ||
| Resource Guarding Risk | Low | Moderate to High |
Gordon Setter Social Traits
Moderate
Generally friendly
Great Pyrenees Social Traits
High
Same-sex aggression common, especially females. Keep opposite-sex pairs for peace.
Training
Gordon Setter
- ** Positive reinforcement is the only viable path. Gordons are sensitive; harsh corrections will cause them to shut down or become defensive [cite: 4].
Great Pyrenees
- Must convince them your request is worth their effort
- Harsh corrections cause shutdown or defensive behavior
- Focus on management over strict obedience
- Accept that recall will never be 100% reliable
Gordon Setter Considerations
This is the primary behavioral failure mode for the breed. Gordon Setters are intensely bonded "velcro" dogs. They do not tolerate isolation well. Left alone for standard workdays (8+ hours) without intervention, they frequently develop severe distress behaviors, including destructive chewing, howling, and self-mutilation.
Unlike the eager-to-please Labrador, the Gordon was bred to work independently of the hunter on the moors. This translates to a dog that will often consider a command, evaluate its merit, and potentially decline. They require a handler who understands how to motivate a thinking dog, not just a compliant one.
Owners often joke that Gordons remain puppies until they are three years old. This "Peter Pan" syndrome means you are signing up for a prolonged adolescence characterized by high energy, testing boundaries, and potential destructiveness long after other breeds have settled down.
While affectionate with their inner circle, Gordons are naturally aloof with strangers. Without extensive early socialization, this reserve can turn into fear-based reactivity or excessive territorial barking. They are watchdogs by nature, not the "everyone is my best friend" type.
Great Pyrenees Considerations
The #1 complaint from suburban owners. Pyrs are genetically hardwired to patrol and bark at night - they were bred to ward off wolves and bears. This instinct cannot be trained out, only managed. Expect deep, booming barks at 2 AM when a leaf blows across the driveway.
Great Pyrenees do not believe in property lines. Without a secure 5-6 foot physical fence, they will expand their territory to include the entire neighborhood. They are notorious escape artists and will take the shock from invisible fences to pursue threats.
Adult Pyrs often exhibit severe aggression toward dogs of the same sex, particularly females. This usually manifests around social maturity (18-24 months). Opposite-sex pairs are generally recommended.
Pyrs are not dumb - they are independent. When called, they evaluate whether coming is more important than what they are currently doing (usually guarding). If they decide it isn't, they will ignore you completely.
Multi-Species Compatibility
| Species | Gordon Setter | Great Pyrenees |
|---|---|---|
| With Cats | Caution - may chase | Excellent - bred to protect vulnerable animals, views cats as part of the flock to guard |
| Small Mammals | Supervision required | Good - low prey drive, protective instinct toward smaller animals in their family |
| Birds / Reptiles | Caution advised | Good with supervision - generally safe due to arrested predatory sequence |
Advanced Behavior
| Trait | Gordon Setter | Great Pyrenees |
|---|---|---|
| Predatory Sequence Risk | Medium | Arrested |
| Biddability | Low | Low |
| Noise Sensitivity | Low | Low |
| Territorial Barking | ||
| Same-Sex Aggression Onset | 18 months | 18 months |
Great Pyrenees: Predatory sequence arrested early - may chase predators to drive away but lack dissect/consume drive. Brilliant problem solvers but low 'working intelligence' (willingness to follow commands). Bred to work without humans so don't look to humans for answers.
First Year & Life Stages
First Year Challenges
| Challenge | Gordon Setter | Great Pyrenees |
|---|---|---|
| Puppy Difficulty | ||
| Destructive Phase | 6-18 | 6-18 |
| House Training | Challenging | Medium |
| Crate Training | Medium | Medium |
| Adolescent Regression |
Gordon Setter: Gordon Setter puppies require consistent training and patience.
Great Pyrenees: Pyr puppies are large, stubborn land sharks. A 6-month-old is the size of a German Shepherd but has the brain of a toddler. Critical socialization window 8-16 weeks - must expose to strangers, other dogs, and strange noises or natural guarding instinct can turn into fear-aggression.
Life Stages Timeline
| Stage | Gordon Setter | Great Pyrenees |
|---|---|---|
| Puppy Phase | 12 months | 18 months |
| Adolescence | 6-18 | 10-24 |
| Adult Years | 2-8 | 2-8 |
| Senior Onset | ~8 years | ~8 years |
| Peak Energy Age | 1-3 years | 1-2 years |
Size & Physical Characteristics
Physical Stats
| Measurement | Gordon Setter | Great Pyrenees |
|---|---|---|
| Height | N/A | 65-82 cm |
| Weight | Not enough data yet | Not enough data yet |
| Size Category | Large | Extra Large |
| Lifespan | 10–12 years | 10–12 years |
| Litter Size | 4-8 | 6-10 |
Gordon Setter Coat
Great Pyrenees Coat
Lineage & Origin
| Detail | Gordon Setter | Great Pyrenees |
|---|---|---|
| Original Purpose | Developed in Scotland in the 17th century, specifically at Gordon Castle by the Fourth Duke of Gordo | Autonomous livestock guardian - protecting sheep from wolves and bears in the Pyrenees Mountains without human guidance |
| Origin | N/A | Pyrenees Mountains (France/Spain), ancient breed |
Breeding Details
| Detail | Gordon Setter | Great Pyrenees |
|---|---|---|
| C-Section Rate | Varies | Low |
| Whelping Difficulty | Medium | Easy |
| Puppy Mortality Rate | Low | Low |
Physical Risks
| Risk | Gordon Setter | Great Pyrenees |
|---|---|---|
| Bloat / GDV Risk | Low | High |
| Slippery Floor Risk | Low | Medium |
| Min Fence Height | 1.5m | 1.5m |
| Dig / Escape Risk | Low | High |
Health & Common Conditions
Gordon Setter Health Issues
Great Pyrenees Health Issues
Gordon Setter Suggested Tests
- PRA-rcd4 (Genetic Test)
- Cerebellar Degeneration (CCA) (Genetic Test)
- OFA Hip/Elbow evaluations
- Gastropexy (surgical prevention for Bloat)
Great Pyrenees Suggested Tests
- Gastropexy (stomach tacking) - recommended during spay/neuter
- Neuronal Degeneration (NDG) DNA test
- Hip Evaluation (OFA)
- Elbow Evaluation
- Patella Evaluation
Health Risk Overview
| Risk Factor | Gordon Setter | Great Pyrenees |
|---|---|---|
| Cancer Risk | Medium | High (osteosarcoma) |
| Cardiac Risk | Low | Low |
| Neurological Risk | Low | Medium (NDG) |
| CCL/ACL Tear Risk | Low | Medium |
| Vet Burden Tier | Medium | High |
Sensitivities & Allergies
| Sensitivity | Gordon Setter | Great Pyrenees |
|---|---|---|
| Skin Allergies | ||
| Environmental Allergies | ||
| Stomach Sensitivity | Low | Low |
| Food Allergies | Generally robust |
Health Maintenance
| Care Item | Gordon Setter | Great Pyrenees |
|---|---|---|
| Nail Growth Rate | Normal | Normal |
| Eye Care Needs | Low | Medium (entropion risk) |
| Anal Gland Issues | Occasional | Rare |
Senior Care & Aging
Gordon Setter Senior Care
Common Senior Issues
- Arthritis
- Vision decline
- Cognitive changes
Senior care varies by individual health.
Great Pyrenees Senior Care
Common Senior Issues
- Arthritis/mobility decline
- Osteosarcoma (bone cancer)
- Hip dysplasia progression
- Vision decline
Mobility slows around 8+ years. Arthritis management becomes primary focus. Ramps for cars and stairs become necessary.
Grooming & Care
Gordon Setter
high maintenanceGreat Pyrenees
high maintenanceLifestyle Compatibility
Gordon Setter Daily Life
Great Pyrenees Daily Life
Housing & Legal Restrictions
| Restriction | Gordon Setter | Great Pyrenees |
|---|---|---|
| BSL Restricted | ||
| Common Rental Ban | ||
| Insurance Blacklist | ||
| Weight Category | Under 50lbs | Over 50lbs |
Climate Tolerance
| Climate | Gordon Setter | Great Pyrenees |
|---|---|---|
| Heat Tolerance | ||
| Cold Tolerance | ||
| Water Affinity | Medium | Low |
Travel Compatibility
| Activity | Gordon Setter | Great Pyrenees |
|---|---|---|
| Car Travel | Good | Good |
| Camping | ||
| Beach Friendly | ||
| Hiking Rating | ||
| Cabin Flight Eligible | ||
| Hotel Friendly Size |
Niche Suitability
| Role | Gordon Setter | Great Pyrenees |
|---|---|---|
| Service Dog | Low | Low |
| Therapy Dog | Low | Low |
| Deep Pressure Therapy | ||
| Canicross / Bikejoring | ||
| Apartment Adaptable | ||
| Tactile / Sensory Friendly | ||
| Livestock Guardian | ||
| Medical Alert | Low | None |
Costs & Expenses
Upfront Costs
| Cost | Gordon Setter | Great Pyrenees |
|---|---|---|
| Purchase Price | N/A | $1,800-4,000 |
| Initial Cost Range | $1,000–$2,500 | $1,800–$4,000 |
| Cost Tier |
Ongoing Costs
| Cost | Gordon Setter | Great Pyrenees |
|---|---|---|
| Monthly Range | $140–$220 | $180–$300 |
| Yearly Range | $1,680–$2,640 | $2,160–$3,600 |
| Food / Month | $80-120 | $100-150 |
| Insurance / Month | $60-100 | $50-80 |
| Grooming / Session | $80-120 | $100-200 |
| Vet Routine / Year | $300-500 | $600-1,500 |
| Monthly Cost Tier |
Gordon Setter Lifetime Cost
N/A
Great Pyrenees Lifetime Cost
$25,000-45,000
Quirks & Fun Facts
Daily Quirks
| Quirk | Gordon Setter | Great Pyrenees |
|---|---|---|
| Snoring | ||
| Flatulence | Occasional | Rare |
| Slobber Level | Low | Moderate |
| Smell When Wet | Moderate | Mild |
| Zoomies Frequency | Occasional | Rare |
| Counter Surfing | ||
| Digging Tendency | Low | High |
Great Pyrenees Quirks
The Pyr Paw
Will forcefully paw at you to demand attention - can be painful given their size and claw strength
The Pyr Lean
Shows affection by leaning their entire 100lb+ weight against your legs
Mud Magnet
White coat is surprisingly self-cleaning (mud dries and falls off) - but the mud falls off onto your floor
Selective Deafness
Will evaluate your command, decide if it's worth their effort, and ignore you if it isn't
Snow Obsession
Will refuse to come inside during snowstorms - thrive in freezing temperatures
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