Great Pyrenees vs Irish Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier
A side-by-side comparison to help you find the right breed for your lifestyle.
Great Pyrenees
Also known as: Pyr, Pyrenean Mountain Dog, Chien de Montagne des Pyrenees
The Great Pyrenees is a majestic livestock guardian weighing 38-72 kg, bred to work independently in the Pyrenees Mountains. While gentle with family, their nocturnal barking, roaming instinct, and independent nature require experienced owners with secure fencing. Not recommended for apartments or first-time owners.
Extra Large
Medium
10-12 yrs
65-82 cm
Irish Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier
Also known as: Wheaten, Wheatie, Irish Wheaten, SCWT
The Irish Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier is an exuberant, people-loving terrier with a distinctive silky wheaten coat. Known for their enthusiastic 'Wheaten Greetin' - jumping to greet you at face level - they require 60-90 minutes of daily exercise and significant grooming commitment. Originally bred as all-purpose farm dogs in Ireland, they are hypoallergenic, adaptable to apartment living, and bond intensely with their families.
Medium
High
12-14 yrs
43-48 cm
Quick Comparison
| Trait | Great Pyrenees | Irish Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier |
|---|---|---|
| Energy | ||
| Trainability | ||
| Grooming Needs | ||
| Family Friendly | ||
| Independence |
Key Characteristics
| Good with Kids | ||
| Good with Dogs | ||
| Good with Cats | ||
| Hypoallergenic | ||
| Apartment Friendly | ||
| First-Time Owner OK |
| Detail | Great Pyrenees | Irish Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier |
|---|---|---|
| Size | Extra Large | Medium |
| Energy Level | Medium | High |
| Grooming | High | High |
| Trainability | challenging | Moderate |
| Barking Level | High | Medium |
| Shedding Level | High | Low |
| Chew strength | Moderate | Moderate |
| Housing | Acreage | Apartment |
Owner Fit & Decision Guide
Owner Match
| Trait | Great Pyrenees | Irish Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier |
|---|---|---|
| Experience Level | Advanced | Intermediate |
| First-Time Owner | ||
| Ideal Owner | Experienced owner with acreage or large securely fenced yard, tolerant of nocturnal barking, understanding of independent working breeds, possibly with livestock to guard. Patient with training and comfortable with a dog that thinks for itself. | Dedicated owner willing to pay for professional grooming and attend obedience classes. Active individual or family who can manage the exuberant greeting behavior. Tolerant of daily grooming and beard maintenance. |
Great Pyrenees Dealbreakers
- Live in an apartment or rental
- Have close neighbors sensitive to barking
- Want a dog that obeys commands instantly
- Don't have a secure physical fence
- Want a pristine, fur-free home
- Need a running or high-intensity exercise partner
Irish Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier Dealbreakers
- Want a dog that can be washed once a month and ignored
- Fastidious about a clean house (mud/debris in coat)
- Want an off-leash dog for unfenced areas
- Have small children or elderly relatives (jumping risk)
Surrender Risk
| Factor | Great Pyrenees | Irish Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier |
|---|---|---|
| Risk Level | High | Medium |
| Primary Reasons | Nocturnal barking - owners get a fluffy puppy that starts barking all night at 1 year old, Roaming/escape - jumping fences to expand territory, Resource guarding - growling over food scares families who expected Golden Retriever temperament, Size underestimated - 120lb dog that refuses to move and may growl when asked to get off couch | Grooming neglect - owner couldn't handle the matting, Energy mismatch - bounce and jumping too much for families with small kids, Allergies - owner didn't realize hypoallergenic doesn't mean allergen-free |
Temperament & Personality
Behavior Comparison
| Trait | Great Pyrenees | Irish Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier |
|---|---|---|
| Prey Drive | ||
| Watchdog Ability | ||
| Stranger Friendly | ||
| Drool Level | ||
| Wanderlust |
Vocalization
| Trait | Great Pyrenees | Irish Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier |
|---|---|---|
| Barking Level | High | Medium |
| Howling Tendency | ||
| Whining Tendency | Low | Medium |
| Separation Vocalization |
Safety & Reliability
| Trait | Great Pyrenees | Irish Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier |
|---|---|---|
| Escape Artist | ||
| Dog Park Suitable | ||
| Off-Leash Reliable | ||
| Small Animal Safe | ||
| Leash Reactivity | ||
| Resource Guarding Risk | Moderate to High | Low |
Great Pyrenees Social Traits
High
Same-sex aggression common, especially females. Keep opposite-sex pairs for peace.
Irish Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier Social Traits
None
Generally good with other dogs, unlike many terriers. Unneutered males may have same-sex aggression issues at ~18 months.
Training
Great Pyrenees
- Must convince them your request is worth their effort
- Harsh corrections cause shutdown or defensive behavior
- Focus on management over strict obedience
- Accept that recall will never be 100% reliable
Irish Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier
- Keep sessions short (5-10 minutes) and fun
- Use high-value treats - they are food motivated
- Four on the floor: no one pets unless feet are grounded
- Never use harsh correction - causes shutdown or defensive behavior
Great Pyrenees Considerations
The #1 complaint from suburban owners. Pyrs are genetically hardwired to patrol and bark at night - they were bred to ward off wolves and bears. This instinct cannot be trained out, only managed. Expect deep, booming barks at 2 AM when a leaf blows across the driveway.
Great Pyrenees do not believe in property lines. Without a secure 5-6 foot physical fence, they will expand their territory to include the entire neighborhood. They are notorious escape artists and will take the shock from invisible fences to pursue threats.
Adult Pyrs often exhibit severe aggression toward dogs of the same sex, particularly females. This usually manifests around social maturity (18-24 months). Opposite-sex pairs are generally recommended.
Pyrs are not dumb - they are independent. When called, they evaluate whether coming is more important than what they are currently doing (usually guarding). If they decide it isn't, they will ignore you completely.
Irish Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier Considerations
A genetic predisposition to launch themselves vertically at faces to say hello. This is hardwired, dopamine-fueled behavior that takes months of consistent training to manage and can be dangerous for small children or elderly relatives.
Despite their soft looks, they are vermin hunters by heritage. A Wheaten that is an angel in the living room may become deaf to commands the moment a squirrel, cat, or rabbit bolts. Off-leash reliability is exceptionally low.
Professional grooming ($100-150) every 4-6 weeks is non-negotiable unless you learn professional scissoring skills. Neglecting this leads to severe matting requiring a traumatic shave down.
During coat transition from puppy to adult, severe overnight matting occurs even with brushing. Many owners surrender dogs during this phase due to grooming inability.
Multi-Species Compatibility
| Species | Great Pyrenees | Irish Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier |
|---|---|---|
| With Cats | Excellent - bred to protect vulnerable animals, views cats as part of the flock to guard | Only if raised together from puppyhood. Running cat will trigger chase response. Outdoor cats viewed as prey. |
| Small Mammals | Good - low prey drive, protective instinct toward smaller animals in their family | Unsafe - rabbits, hamsters, guinea pigs are viewed as prey |
| Birds / Reptiles | Good with supervision - generally safe due to arrested predatory sequence | Unsafe - terrier instinct causes fixation on cages |
Advanced Behavior
| Trait | Great Pyrenees | Irish Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier |
|---|---|---|
| Predatory Sequence Risk | Arrested | Arrested to Full |
| Biddability | Low | Medium |
| Noise Sensitivity | Low | Low |
| Territorial Barking | ||
| Same-Sex Aggression Onset | 18 months | 18 months |
Great Pyrenees: Predatory sequence arrested early - may chase predators to drive away but lack dissect/consume drive. Brilliant problem solvers but low 'working intelligence' (willingness to follow commands). Bred to work without humans so don't look to humans for answers.
Irish Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier: Displays Eye → Stalk → Chase → Grab sequence. Kill bite less common than working terriers but chase drive fully intact. Will harass small animals relentlessly. Soft terrier - harsh correction causes shutdown.
First Year & Life Stages
First Year Challenges
| Challenge | Great Pyrenees | Irish Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier |
|---|---|---|
| Puppy Difficulty | ||
| Destructive Phase | 6-18 | 6-18 |
| House Training | Medium | Medium |
| Crate Training | Medium | Medium |
| Adolescent Regression |
Great Pyrenees: Pyr puppies are large, stubborn land sharks. A 6-month-old is the size of a German Shepherd but has the brain of a toddler. Critical socialization window 8-16 weeks - must expose to strangers, other dogs, and strange noises or natural guarding instinct can turn into fear-aggression.
Irish Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier: Combination of terrier stubbornness, potty training delays, and the dreaded coat change (7-24 months) makes first year challenging. Many owners surrender during grooming-intensive coat transition.
Life Stages Timeline
| Stage | Great Pyrenees | Irish Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier |
|---|---|---|
| Puppy Phase | 18 months | 12 months |
| Adolescence | 10-24 | 12-36 |
| Adult Years | 2-8 | 3-8 |
| Senior Onset | ~8 years | ~9 years |
| Peak Energy Age | 1-2 years | 1-3 years |
Size & Physical Characteristics
Physical Stats
| Measurement | Great Pyrenees | Irish Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier |
|---|---|---|
| Height | 65-82 cm | 43-48 cm |
| Weight | Not enough data yet | Not enough data yet |
| Size Category | Extra Large | Medium |
| Lifespan | 10–12 years | 12–14 years |
| Litter Size | 6-10 | 5-6 |
Great Pyrenees Coat
Irish Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier Coat
Lineage & Origin
| Detail | Great Pyrenees | Irish Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier |
|---|---|---|
| Original Purpose | Autonomous livestock guardian - protecting sheep from wolves and bears in the Pyrenees Mountains without human guidance | All-purpose farm dog: herding sheep, guarding homestead, hunting vermin (badgers, otters, rats) |
| Origin | Pyrenees Mountains (France/Spain), ancient breed | Ireland, 200+ years ago |
Breeding Details
| Detail | Great Pyrenees | Irish Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier |
|---|---|---|
| C-Section Rate | Low | Low |
| Whelping Difficulty | Easy | Easy |
| Puppy Mortality Rate | Low | Low |
Physical Risks
| Risk | Great Pyrenees | Irish Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier |
|---|---|---|
| Bloat / GDV Risk | High | Low |
| Slippery Floor Risk | Medium | Low |
| Min Fence Height | 1.5m | 1.5m |
| Dig / Escape Risk | High | High |
Health & Common Conditions
Great Pyrenees Health Issues
Irish Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier Health Issues
Great Pyrenees Suggested Tests
- Gastropexy (stomach tacking) - recommended during spay/neuter
- Neuronal Degeneration (NDG) DNA test
- Hip Evaluation (OFA)
- Elbow Evaluation
- Patella Evaluation
Irish Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier Suggested Tests
- PLN Variant Gene Test
- Annual urine test (urinalysis/UPC ratio)
- OFA hips/eyes
Health Risk Overview
| Risk Factor | Great Pyrenees | Irish Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier |
|---|---|---|
| Cancer Risk | High (osteosarcoma) | Low |
| Cardiac Risk | Low | Low |
| Neurological Risk | Medium (NDG) | Low |
| CCL/ACL Tear Risk | Medium | Low |
| Vet Burden Tier | High | High |
Sensitivities & Allergies
| Sensitivity | Great Pyrenees | Irish Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier |
|---|---|---|
| Skin Allergies | ||
| Environmental Allergies | ||
| Stomach Sensitivity | Low | High |
| Food Allergies | Generally robust | High-fat diets (PLE risk), Novel proteins (may trigger IBD-like symptoms) |
Health Maintenance
| Care Item | Great Pyrenees | Irish Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier |
|---|---|---|
| Nail Growth Rate | Normal | Normal |
| Eye Care Needs | Medium (entropion risk) | High |
| Anal Gland Issues | Rare | Rare |
Senior Care & Aging
Great Pyrenees Senior Care
Common Senior Issues
- Arthritis/mobility decline
- Osteosarcoma (bone cancer)
- Hip dysplasia progression
- Vision decline
Mobility slows around 8+ years. Arthritis management becomes primary focus. Ramps for cars and stairs become necessary.
Irish Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier Senior Care
Common Senior Issues
- Kidney function decline (PLN risk increases)
- Arthritis
- Incontinence (older spayed females)
Geriatric Wheatens often maintain puppy-like demeanor longer than other breeds, but mobility issues and kidney function are primary concerns.
Grooming & Care
Great Pyrenees
high maintenanceIrish Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier
high maintenanceLifestyle Compatibility
Great Pyrenees Daily Life
Irish Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier Daily Life
Housing & Legal Restrictions
| Restriction | Great Pyrenees | Irish Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier |
|---|---|---|
| BSL Restricted | ||
| Common Rental Ban | ||
| Insurance Blacklist | ||
| Weight Category | Over 50lbs | 25-50lbs |
Climate Tolerance
| Climate | Great Pyrenees | Irish Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier |
|---|---|---|
| Heat Tolerance | ||
| Cold Tolerance | ||
| Water Affinity | Low | Medium |
Travel Compatibility
| Activity | Great Pyrenees | Irish Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier |
|---|---|---|
| Car Travel | Good | Excellent |
| Camping | ||
| Beach Friendly | ||
| Hiking Rating | ||
| Cabin Flight Eligible | ||
| Hotel Friendly Size |
Niche Suitability
| Role | Great Pyrenees | Irish Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier |
|---|---|---|
| Service Dog | Low | Low |
| Therapy Dog | Low | Medium |
| Deep Pressure Therapy | ||
| Canicross / Bikejoring | ||
| Apartment Adaptable | ||
| Tactile / Sensory Friendly | ||
| Livestock Guardian | ||
| Medical Alert | None | Low |
Costs & Expenses
Upfront Costs
| Cost | Great Pyrenees | Irish Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier |
|---|---|---|
| Purchase Price | $1,800-4,000 | $1,500-3,000 |
| Initial Cost Range | $1,800–$4,000 | $1,500–$3,000 |
| Cost Tier |
Ongoing Costs
| Cost | Great Pyrenees | Irish Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier |
|---|---|---|
| Monthly Range | $180–$300 | $200–$350 |
| Yearly Range | $2,160–$3,600 | $2,400–$4,200 |
| Food / Month | $100-150 | $50-75 |
| Insurance / Month | $50-80 | $50-80 |
| Grooming / Session | $100-200 | $100-150 |
| Vet Routine / Year | $600-1,500 | $500-800 |
| Monthly Cost Tier |
Great Pyrenees Lifetime Cost
$25,000-45,000
Irish Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier Lifetime Cost
$30,000-55,000
Quirks & Fun Facts
Daily Quirks
| Quirk | Great Pyrenees | Irish Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier |
|---|---|---|
| Snoring | ||
| Flatulence | Rare | Occasional |
| Slobber Level | Moderate | None |
| Smell When Wet | Mild | Mild |
| Zoomies Frequency | Rare | Daily |
| Counter Surfing | ||
| Digging Tendency | High | High |
Great Pyrenees Quirks
The Pyr Paw
Will forcefully paw at you to demand attention - can be painful given their size and claw strength
The Pyr Lean
Shows affection by leaning their entire 100lb+ weight against your legs
Mud Magnet
White coat is surprisingly self-cleaning (mud dries and falls off) - but the mud falls off onto your floor
Selective Deafness
Will evaluate your command, decide if it's worth their effort, and ignore you if it isn't
Snow Obsession
Will refuse to come inside during snowstorms - thrive in freezing temperatures
Irish Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier Quirks
The Wheaten Greetin'
Signature enthusiastic welcome involving jumping, spinning, and kissing faces
The Wheaten Spin
When excited, they spin in circles
The Beard Sponge
The beard acts as a sponge - after drinking, they will drip water on your lap. After eating, food particles remain. Beard hygiene is a daily task.
Snowballs
In winter, snow clumps to leg hair forming heavy ice balls that can be painful
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